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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 17, 2010 - 03:49pm PT
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Tom,
It is nice to have another informed voice of reason here as it has been a lonely vigil for Rok. Seriously, I've always defended him as he does make an attmept to address the facts. His problem is that he tries to make points that some of our patrons don't appreciate and we certainly don't want any alternative viewpoints expressed here now do we?
As for the X-37 I fail to see how it could carry enough fuel for any significant orbit change. It has similar aerodynamics to the space shuttle which is to say an L/D of about 4.5* which means a lot of fuel is needed to 'fly'. Of course no amount of lift will get you very far above 20 miles. The original X-20 suffered from a lack of mission other than proof-of-concept. Apparently the Air Force now has a mission or two in mind and you can rest assured it ain't pure science. Anybody for 'Chinese take-out'?
*It should be noted that it is debatable whether you are really flying if your L/D is 4.5 as that is only marginally better than a good skipping stone or the first hang gliders.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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In this article . . .
SPACE - The Final Frontier Without Truth? Or - The REAL NASA You Don't See... And How Things Really Work
By Ted Twietmeyer
tedtw@frontiernet.net
2-8-4
http://www.rense.com/general49/SPACEthefinalfrontier.htm
Ted mentions the TR3.
I have heard of this craft (TR3) before and also "the Aurora" but hadn't really looked into it. Well, when someone who used to work with NASA mentions it, then my ears pick-up.
Found this article by an insider who describes as much as they can and what they know regarding the TR-3B. Very, very interesting to say the least . . .
Secret Government Technology and the TR-3B
by Edgar Rothschild Fouche
from Seekers Website
recovered through WayBackMachine Website
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_extraterrestrialtech07.htm
Original website for Secret Government Technology and the TR-3B:
Very slow load . . .
http://web.archive.org/web/20030216073253/http:/www.seekers.100megs6.com/UFOMANSecretFouche.htm
If even a 20th of this is true, then this is really, really incredible. Perhaps many of the UFO sightings are indeed ours, as well as theirs.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 17, 2010 - 08:20pm PT
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And Klimmer hasn’t even got to the “Mystery of the Mutilated Cows.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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Pate,
A civilization is based upon trust, and I agree that a great deal of the trust that holds our society together has been betrayed. So I don't expect to be granted any special regard. If I share something and you prove me wrong, then I am just as much inerested in knowing that as you are.
I do have more of an insider view into the space programs than most, having been very involved for many years. However I do not have any special clearances other than the usual checks required of anyone who provides services to the government.
I think that open internet forums offer hope to learn and share knowledge. My hope has been that there is a certain amount of shared trust and intelligence within the climbing community. I know there is a lot of disinformation being put out to obscure the truth regarding some topics. So I am very disappointed to see the disrespect being slung around. To my way of thinking that is just useless noise in the system and is perhaps being instigated as part of a disinformation campaign. If we can't get beyond the noise of personal attacks, then this forum is a waste of time for all involved.
Pate you are the worst. Tom is honest. Speaks his mind without belittling anyone, calls you and anyone else like you out, and you still don't get it do you?
Why do you continue to ridicule and act the way you do? Do you get that climbers on ST are tired of it and you?
If you can't contribute in a positive way on a thread then why contribute at all?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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Pate,
This thread was clearly marked OT. You do not have to contribute to this thread. Is anyone holding a gun up to your head to do so? No.
You know nothing about me really. Yes, I love climbing and I like talking to fellow climbers. I do not always have to talk climbing though. Climbing is the background jeweler's cloth and the jewels are the OT conversations.
You can ignore threads that you do not like. Easy to do. Let the ones who do want to discuss the topic do so in peace without your constant ridicule and constant name calling.
But all of this is probably above your comprehension. I don't expect you to understand manners and how to treat others the way you would like to be treated. In other words, The Golden Rule. It isn't in you.
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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May 17, 2010 - 10:58pm PT
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Hey Klimmer, don't look now but there is a man humping your leg.
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kbstuffnpuff
Sport climber
State of Confusion
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May 17, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
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I don't get this thread at all.
I'm too stoned.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2010 - 11:54pm PT
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PX,
Lol. Don't I know it.
I try to shake him off and he just keeps humping away.
And the sad part is he keeps doing it in public too!
I'm thinking he hasn't been house broken yet. I think treatment with Victoria Stillwell is in order. The thing is he would probably start humping her leg also. He seems to be into the dominatrix sort of thing. I wouldn't want a beautiful woman like her to suffer though.
What can be done?
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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May 18, 2010 - 12:20am PT
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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May 18, 2010 - 01:16am PT
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Klimmer,
This is exceptionally captivating!
However it is a fundamental truth that I and many others simply do not bother, or refuse, to click links. You have provided scores if not hundreds.
Perhaps a better way to make your points would be to quote the important bits, and then add the link below?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 18, 2010 - 10:49am PT
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too lazy to clink links?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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May 18, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
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Confirmation bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Confirmation bias is a tendency for people to prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses, independently of whether they are true. People can reinforce their existing attitudes by selectively collecting new evidence, by interpreting evidence in a biased way, or by selectively recalling information from memory. Some psychologists use "confirmation bias" for any of these three cognitive biases, while others restrict the term to selective collection of evidence, using assimilation bias for biased interpretation.
People tend to test hypotheses in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and neglecting alternatives This strategy is not necessarily a bias, but combined with other effects it can reinforce existing beliefs. The biases appear in particular for issues that are emotionally significant (including some personal and political topics) and for established beliefs that shape the individual's expectations. Biased search, interpretation and/or recall have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a stronger weighting for data encountered early in an arbitrary series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events).
Confirmation biases are effects in information processing, distinct from the behavioral confirmation effect (also called self-fulfilling prophecy), in which people's expectations influence their own behavior. They can lead to disastrous decisions, especially in organizational, military and political contexts Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs.
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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May 18, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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FACT: Aliens have a impeccable sense of design.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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May 18, 2010 - 03:21pm PT
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Skippy thinks that if Aliens were to ever exist, their purpose would be to leave "art" examples at the places they've been.
Talk about crazy theories--sheesh!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 18, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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Now that we've conquered the inexhaustible energy supply necessary, and pillaged the material wealth of our world to enable intra/inter-galactic travel, let's go visit that obscure little planet inhabited by those charming primitive, bipedals. Once there we'll risk descending through their atmosphere to doodle in their vegetation and then split or hide behind their moon and have a good laugh.
Sure, makes sense to me. The saddest part about threads like this and all the ET hullaballoo is what it says about the fragility of human ego - of course we'd be visited, of course we matter, of course the universe is consumed in curiousity about us. The truth is way more likely that planets of intelligent life come and go in the blink of comsological time without so much as the slightest awareness or acknowledgment of their existence by any other form of intelligent life.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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May 18, 2010 - 03:33pm PT
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You're a pretty insightful person, sir--the almighty dollar is always at the forefront of your thoughts.
Didn't dinosaurs go extinct because they couldn't adapt to change and evolve with the consciousness of the planet?
Your world has left, Skip--best for you to huddle with your kind and rekindle the past by talking about how money was sooo important.
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Gene
Social climber
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May 18, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
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I would like to talk about Majestic 12, the document, and what Petty Officer Milton William Cooper has to say about it all. {SNIP} (can't imagine that he is still around):
EAGER, AZ - William Cooper has been killed and an Apache County sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.
William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show broadcast on the Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, which receives it via phone from his home in St. Johns.
http://www.rense.com/general16/coop.htm
I guess the govt/military/alien industrial complex had to take him out in order to preserve secrecy.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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May 18, 2010 - 03:42pm PT
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How to "prove" someone is a witch...
Klimmer: There are ways of *telling* whether she is a witch!
Roxjok: Are there? What? Tell us, then! Tell us!
Klimmer: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Roxjok: BUUUURN!!!!! BUUUUUURRRRNN!!!!! You BURN them!!!! BURN!!
Klimmer: And what do you burn apart from witches?
Other villager: More Witches!
Roxjok: Wood.
Klimmer: So. Why do witches burn?
Roxjok: (tentatively) Because they're made of.....wood?
Klimmer: Goooood!
Klimmer: So. How do we tell whether she is made of wood?
Roxjok: Build a bridge out of 'er!
Klimmer: Aah. But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
Villagers: oh yeah. oh. umm...
Klimmer: Does wood sink in water?
One Villager: No! No, no, it floats!
Roxjok: Throw her into the pond!
Villagers: yaaaaaa!
Klimmer: What also floats in water?
Roxjok: Bread!
Another Villager: Apples!
Roxjok: Uh...very small rocks!
Another Villager: Cider!
Another Villager: Uh...great gravy!
Roxjok: Cherries!
Another Villager: Mud!
Roxjok: Churches! Churches!
Another Villager: Lead! Lead!
Roxjok: A Duck!
Villagers: (in amazement) ooooooh!
Klimmer: exACTly!
Klimmer: So, *logically*...
Roxjok: If...she...weighs the same as a duck......she's made of wood.
Klimmer: and therefore...
Roxjok: A Witch!
All Villagers: A WITCH!
this was good enough to be posted again.
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