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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jun 12, 2015 - 10:52pm PT

hoping to find clues on the seeds of other misshapen proteins that develop in the brain and cause the common forms of dementia.

Maybe they could check out all those hotdogs they've been feeding us full of cow and pig brains?

jgill

Boulder climber

The high prairie of southern Colorado

Jun 12, 2015 - 11:25pm PT

Isn't this the cannibal - I mean cannabis thread?

Sorry, wrong website.

Let's have some music of the mind.

(Did anyone else have trouble reading that lengthy "response" of JL's to Dr. Ed? Who is saying what gets jumbled up with the capital letters and lower case letters. After the first part I could not tell who was saying what. Probably just me.)

jstan

climber

Jun 13, 2015 - 08:28am PT

Definitely not just you.

paul roehl

Boulder climber

california

Jun 13, 2015 - 09:20am PT

https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY

Watch this... a nice lesson in uncertainty...

"Cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman is trying to answer a big question: Do we experience the world as it really is ... or as we need it to be? In this ever so slightly mind-blowing talk, he ponders how our minds construct reality for us."

WBraun

climber

Jun 13, 2015 - 09:32am PT

Did anyone else have trouble reading that lengthy "response" of JL's to Dr. Ed?

Easy to understand and follow.

This proves the gross materialists are blind .....

MikeL

Social climber

Seattle, WA

Jun 13, 2015 - 11:17am PT

Jgill: Of course "smart" implies imaginative, but not conversely.

You would likely fail my course.

Are you feeling OK?

Why are you asking this?

it's hard to make a comparison with no-thing in meditation if something analogous is not verified in physics.

I can see why you would take this stand.

MH2 doesn’t like when I deconstruct his phrasing, and Cintune feels the need to refer to etymologies.

Gentlemen: I’m using conversational English. If I am in error in what meanings you understand, you could respond conversationally rather than sniping. If my logic is unclear or sequencing of terms or concepts are unclear to you, kindly ask. I’m in it for the conversation, rather than throwing calumny over Chinese walls. Sniping doesn’t help conversation.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jun 13, 2015 - 01:36pm PT

Thanks Paul,
That Ted Talk corresponds directly with my understanding to what is "Real". His scientific explanation is a starter for us to "see" the Truth. And a part of that truth is Evolution is a liar. In that She didn't give us an eyeball that see's what REALLY matters. Everyone can stand in the meadow and gaze at ElCap and witness the Beauty. Each of us would draw a picture within our own minds what The Big Stone means within our own understanding. Billions would say "Yea it's a big rock!". And the understandings would funnel al the way down to something maybe a climber would say like "The Stovelegs gives me an orgasim". So the eyes can see the size of the Stovelegs, but isn't what Truely important to us humans as to "why" the size of that crack is significant to each our individualality. And to reason within each self a justifiable "Good" or a "Bad". One may love that crack because his hand fits just right. One may hate it because his fist just falls through. Or one may have no opinion at all, he may just clip bolts! All the facts like, the exact size of the crack, I climbed them in 3 minutes, I only used 2 pieces of gear, All arbitrary to what fundamentally reigns in our conversation, and that IS; How we FEEL about it. Our Sensational grasp.. And ofcourse the making of babies.

Why not the shared consciousness of Love being what the Ted Talk termed The tapestry in the fabric? What are expressions of Love, sharing and giving. And the ultimate expression would be to lay down one's own life for that of another, wouldn't you agree? That would be you going against your very own evolutionized Being engrained with the "survival of the fittest" gene. We can't see into a Kreel to know if they are conscious of the fact that they're sacrifice is prolonging the Whale species. But we can see all the Whales that are conscious of swimming to Chili to eat. Sure the Kreel are an important fact in that they provide nutrition to the whale, that's written in our genetics. While what's in the conscious of the whale is interaction with the environment. The other whales, the water conditions, the season of the Kreel migration, whatever.. The interaction with the environment is what we each have at any given moment. We individually store all interactions in our sub-conscious as, good, bad, or neither. What we decide to share is expressed through either love or hate. And the recipient inturn stores that expression uniquely.

I think Largo was touching on it here;

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT TRYING TO OBJECTIFY OR QUANTIFY, WE DON'T FIND AN OBJECT THAT IS BEING CONSCIOUS, WE ONLY EXPERIENCE A BOUNDLESS FIELD THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GRASP BECAUSE IT WILL NOT CONFORM TO THE SYMMETRY OF A THING OR AN OBJECT.

IMO, Consciousness is the unseen vibrational matrix tapestry that interacts with incoming vibrations. We see vibrations in colors and shapes. We hear vibrations. We eat vibrations in ice cream or shiskabobs. We feel vibrations in love and hate. Awareness is being sensitive to these vibrations within our gene memory and quantifying an oppropriate interaction.

The sticky part here in that our conscious can override what our genetic awareness deems appropriate. We can Fast for 11days. We can climb Stovelegs w/out a rope. We can meditate th tv out of our heads. Etc. Etc.

That rebel consciousness is what turned us into Man.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Jun 13, 2015 - 01:56pm PT

MH2

Boulder climber

Andy Cairns

Jun 13, 2015 - 05:57pm PT

I laugh robustly.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jun 13, 2015 - 06:02pm PT

^^^ Thanks for the memory!

For the record, was that a loving laugh, or a hateful HaHaHa?

jgill

Boulder climber

The high prairie of southern Colorado

Jun 13, 2015 - 06:38pm PT

Sniping doesn’t help conversation: (ML)

You would likely fail my course (ML)

Well, that's debatable. Chances are I would not enroll in your course. But if I did would I be your oldest student?

;>)

MH2 doesn’t like when I deconstruct his phrasing(ML)

Why do you feel the need to deconstruct anything? You and JL talk about scientists and engineers "reverse engineering" processes and how futile this practice is. Isn't deconstructing someone's writing similar?

Seriously, perhaps you would expand on the relationships between smart and imaginative. The smartest mathematicians I know are very imaginative as well. But I've known imaginative people who I wouldn't deem smart.

Jan

Mountain climber

Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa

Jun 13, 2015 - 06:41pm PT

And I've never met an imaginative person who was stupid. Unschooled perhaps, but not stupid.

jgill

Boulder climber

The high prairie of southern Colorado

Jun 13, 2015 - 06:45pm PT

Finally, a tangible debate!

;>)

WBraun

climber

Jun 13, 2015 - 06:55pm PT

BUT !!!!

There is smart and ..... there is intelligence.

The gross materialists are generally very smart,

But lack real intelligence .....

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jun 13, 2015 - 07:01pm PT

"Imagination is of more importance than knowledge"
Albert Einstein

He has shown strength with His arm; He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.He has put down the mighty from their thrones.And exalted the lowly.
Luke

MH2

Boulder climber

Andy Cairns

Jun 13, 2015 - 08:22pm PT

For the record, was that a loving laugh, or a hateful HaHaHa?

I was a little too young for Shakespeare so here is what I heard:

Be the innocent flower but look the serpent under it.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jun 13, 2015 - 08:34pm PT

ahh, the mystery of The Anglerfish \;=D

jstan

climber

Jun 13, 2015 - 09:00pm PT

Intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence
Wikipedia
Intelligence has been defined in many different ways such as in terms of one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity and problem solving.

Intelligent | Definition of intelligent by Merriam-Webster
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligent
Merriam‑Webster
having or showing the ability to easily learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations : having or showing a lot of intelligence. : able to learn ...

Intelligent | Define Intelligent at Dictionary.com
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Dictionary.com
an intelligent student. displaying or characterized by quickness of understanding, sound thought, or good judgment: an intelligent reply. having the faculty of reasoning and understanding; possessing intelligence :

Wiki’s definition seems the most comprehensive. I would add an emphases applicable to problem solving. The person comes up with solutions quickly for which flaws are not found easily indicating alternatives in great depth had been explored.

Imaginative | Definition of imaginative by Merriam-Webster
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imaginative
Merriam‑Webster
Full Definition of IMAGINATIVE. 1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by imagination. b : devoid of truth : false.

Great painters, musicians, and writers are imaginative. However, being imaginative isn’t just limited to the arts. When you're imaginative, you can develop a unique solution to a problem or issue. For example, an imaginative engineer might develop a new, more efficient way to construct a bridge. An idea or object that’s fresh and original — like that bridge the engineer designed — can also be described as imaginative.

Imaginative dictionary definition | imaginative defined
http://www.yourdictionary.com/imaginative
yourDictionary.com
Use imaginative in a sentence. adjective. The definition of imaginative is having or showing creativeness or resourcefulness. When you are able to make up an entire fantasy dream world to entertain yourself and you can get lost in your own creative ideas, this is an example of being an imaginative person.

An imaginative person is one who easily invents new things often as extrapolations from the mundane. Unexpected links are often involved suggesting a highly developed corpus collosum or other unusual linkages in the brain.

SMART is a mnemonic acronym, giving criteria to guide in the setting of objectives, for example in project management, employee-performance management and personal development. The letters S and M usually mean specific and measurable.

SMART has been co-opted by the digital world and has become an acronym. Hard to find a definition along the earlier lines.

This offered here as merely a start.