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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Does that 'Delete this post' thingy really work? And does that take all subsequent posts to hell with it?
Does work, but not quite that way. If the first post in a thread is removed, the others are still there, but "orphaned" WRT the topics page. They are searchable, but the thread will not show up. More like purgatory ;-)
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Don't do it Gunkie! We all have too much ranting invested here!
[You have the power, amen, amen. Salami salami, baloney]
Hey wow, you can still see the sh|t stains on the slab in Randy's photo reposted above! Doesn't that stuff wash off after nearly thirty years?! It couldn't have anything to do with those giant black streaks on the headwall directly overhead, could it.
As per Annie's post above, "the monkeys are sending!"
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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of course if you delete it what has your 'power' gained you? and oh yeah, your power is gone..
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Gene
climber
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Can you delete after the 10 day statute of limitations?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Like for bloody murder itself, the statute of limitations on flaming never runs out.
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Hummerchine
Trad climber
East Wenatchee, WA
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Mimi
climber
Jul 2, 2011 - 10:23pm PT
No plans for that, Joe. Contrary to earlier statements, Steve never planned on getting on the route. We did discuss climbing Horse Chute and taking a look and recording any evidence and then rapping and chopping it along the way. But then I scored this really good job and those plans fell through. Oh, and for the record, you are one of the lovers. You are one of the lovers, healy. You are one of the lovers, healy.
Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 25, 2009 - 05:52pm PT
Certainly do and I choose to spend some of my energy here on the ST doing all sorts of posting. These guys bellowing for an apoogy is one of the reasons that I showed up here, nkay?
If any of you folks can't stand the tone, content or direction of my comments then just ignore the thread in question and peruse something else.
These guys really like the attention when all is said and done and only choose to participate on this forum when their routes are the subject of discussion.
A couple days climbing up and down and I will be quite content with the situation.
Matt- What are you doing next spring?
'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Nov 25, 2009 - 06:26pm PT
Holy frig, Steve! Are you looking for a belayer for Wings of Steel???!!!!
ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111
I'll be there with f*#kin' BELLS ON, dude, to belay you up Wings of Steel!!! Dude, I'll bring the biggest longest baddest-ass camera lens you've ever seen, and I'll record every millimetric move you make!! It'll be awesome, man! I'll get Kate and her Blackberry, and we'll upload live to McTopo and everyone can watch!!!
BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111
Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 25, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
You'll have your answer next spring on the enhancements unless I find something better to do.
Almost the entire Downward Spiral thread went without a response from you or Mark and quite frankly screw you and your dismissive little statement of petulance. It didn't work on Mimi and won't accomplish anything on this Forum.
I don't really give a rat's ass on a cold day whether you choose to respond to anything that I say or question that I ask. That is entirely up to you, as always.
As Matt duly noted, you guys leave the conversation whenever your position or support for it begins to wane. No different here when you feel that you are on a high note and would like to end the controversy that follows your climbing career around like a nasty fart. Ignoble fate for you but entirely warranted.
Stay away if you can but you guys haven't gained a shred of respect in my eyes as a historian. None of your efforts on El Cap measure up to squat. Back to the shadows with you...
Cheers
Pete- I don't even care to meet you much less climb anything in your company. You missed your chance last season. That was Mimi and I on the Footstool while you carried on about "the last steep thing on El Cap that you hadn't done" once you determined that she was a girl. Dream on...
Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 17, 2010 - 05:47am PT
HEy Steve,
Didn't you say something about heading up WoS this spring? Sure would like to hear how those plans are evolving.
Prod.
Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2010 - 10:37am PT
Nov 26, 2009 SG quote.
No substitute for direct examination and that is my intention. The matter will be settled as a result. What could be better?!?
Prod.
Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jul 2, 2010 - 05:02pm PT
He was pretty adamant about it. I'd like to see him back up his words.
Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 2, 2010 - 05:03pm PT
Help yourself Matty!
The matter should be resolved this Fall.
Jeremy
Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
May 19, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
That's cuz Grossman is being a pussy. Put up or shut up. God knows he could do it...
I would go do it but I have to redpoint Nutcracker first.
I'll be out there in October so maybe I can fit it in.
Jeremy
Rokjox
Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
May 19, 2011 - 01:49pm PT
Sh#t, guys.
You seen a picture of Grossman recently?
Remember Samson? (Man of the Sun?)
You is asking a lot. Time has flown, and its pretty close to twilight for those of us that actually remember this sh#t.
couchmaster
climber
pdx
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:58pm PT
$200 I offered to see Mimi and Steve Grossman do this? I MUST have been drinking. I would have been good for it then but that had a 1 year expiration date. If Ammon and Kaite (who are on it now) do it I'm good for a 40 ozer and I'll send Fish $2.00 via paypal for a beer just because. He can sh#t on their ropes if he wants to recreate the flavor of the original if he thinks it will help anyone.
BTW, Grossmans routes were amazing and his posts here are all fantastic, with the exception of his bitching on the WOS carp. Big respect still to the man. I'd like to see him confront this demon yet, wish he was up with Ammon and kaite for that reason.
Take care all
freerider
Trad climber
innsbrooklyn
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 24, 2010 - 07:04am PT
If so, who was it? I read SG was going to get on it this fall? How did it go?
I looked at Winds of Change from the Aquarian Wall, and that looked really sketchy! Anyone tried to repeat that?
Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 24, 2010 - 10:14am PT
Inspection rescheduled for next spring...
RURPS
climber
Where's the Choss?
Dec 24, 2010 - 10:45am PT
MAMS!!@!#!
YOur nOT DoiNG ANYTHING on Z Captian Nexzt SPRING~!@!#!
WAY TOO OLD, + MIMErs Is ur ONLY petner!!!
YOu iz Scared to FAIL due to INCONtenace.
Bring z Diapers et azzwhipes!!@#!@
RURPS
Aleister Crowley
Trad climber
Dec 24, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
God Willing, we Crowley's will bag WOSll before the Grossbergs. Amen
'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jan 1, 2011 - 06:09pm PT
I'm belaying Grossman, and calling him names, for which I get a hundred bucks.
Note: With today's exchange rate, please make it one hundred CANADIAN dollars! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!
Steve Grossman is a lame-ass has-been pussy with a big mouth and even smaller balls. I'll kiss his ass if he manages to lead even the first pitch, which I thought was desperate, and hugely beyond my ability.
madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
Jan 3, 2011 - 03:24am PT
LOL! Just a question: If the route really has had people all over it, including to the top of the slab, as SG claims, then what can anybody hope to find out about any supposed "enhancements" WE did, lo these many ascents and almost three decades later?
The best argument SG could have made would have been to claim that NOBODY had been on the route but us, and then he cleanly and quickly bags the SA, and then he documents hundreds of straight-in enhancements. Sadly for him, none of that's gonna work. Hehe
Dozens of people have been on the initial pitches, probably half a dozen have been to the top of pitch five, and there's many rumors of at least one person getting to the top of the slab. SG isn't going to bag the route quickly and cleanly. And any "enhancements" he finds aren't ours (see our many statements and the first paragraph of this post).
This is pure hilarity for me at this point. That he should even care after so long, that he should think there is anything he can "prove" by the ascent, and that somehow he has gotten himself baiting into a "SA" that really isn't (if his claims are correct) and on which he has nothing to gain and quite a bit to lose. Go, SG, GO!
Prediction: SG takes falls on pitch one, claims that the route is unrepeatable without additional drilling of the sort he CLAIMS we did (but cannot substantiate, and that we deny), then bails with the haughty statement that such a contrived heap isn't worth the time of a serious climber such as himself anyway. Oh, wait, he's already made all those claims. All we're waiting on now are the inevitable falls and grandiose bail.
Go, SG, GOOOOO!!!
Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 3, 2011 - 09:05am PT
Much more like obfuscation meets vagary but that's why I have to inspect the route again to see for myself.
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yo
climber
Mudcat Spire
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Ammon up: Wings of Steel
Ammon down: Wings of Nylon
(suck it Mtucker)
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WBraun
climber
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Ammon is god ......
And Kate is princess .....
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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First post of this thread, cut and paste while it's still here.
Gunkie
Topic Author's Original Post - May 17, 2005 - 10:43am PT
Has Wings of Steel ever seen a repeat?
The only reason I'm asking is because I was looking at the recent valley flooding images on the internet and ran into Chris Falkenstein's web site (www.yosemitestock.com) and saw a pretty interesting shot of a team low on Wings of Steel. Are not the lower pitches of Wings of Steel the crux pitches anyway?
Just curious.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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not fer nothin'-
but the FA team ought to be GRATEFUL to those (many) who have so loudly criticized them!
does anyone really believe anyone would have bothered hooking up a slab for the 2nd, absent all the controversy?
the legacy of a route in an area like YV is as much about those who will follow as it about the FA.
so finally there will now be a second-
the really interesting question is less about whether Ammon and Kait can visually identify 30yr old micro-enhancements to hook placements and more about whether anything they'll have to say about the climb is in any way inspiring to a potential 3rd or a 4th ascent team.
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Rudder
Trad climber
Long Beach, CA
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Exactly matt and that's the point I made a year ago out here. I don't care how hard it is... if it was great climbing people would be on it. What I said was that if no one ever seconded it I didn't think there was any classic great climbing being missed out on. Just a hunch. :)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The whole discussion, and the SA at this point I would guess, is about verifying the reality of the route versus all the bullshit that's been laid down since - not climbing a classic.
Also, I know from my perspective I couldn't care less if anyone climbs my FAs. I don't know about you, but don't climb for other people, so don't care if anyone else ever sees what I saw in any given line I put up.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2011 - 07:50am PT
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First post of this thread, cut and paste while it's still here.
No worries. I'm not about to delete this thread nor the first post... seriously. I may have been bored or had a cocktail last evening.
I am also following Ammon & Kait (Edit: as per PTPP's info) vicariously from 3000 miles away. You guys rock! And if anyone has the technology to take a few game photos, please post up!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Healyjoe, the only first ascent that I know about you have done except for the FarSide choss, you named Menopause.....nobody does it because who the hell would want to do a climb with that name, plus it looks like a pile. Put on your Depends and take your Geritol. Now Wings of Steel, that has a nice ring to it.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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the really interesting question is less about whether Ammon and Kait can visually identify 30yr old micro-enhancements to hook placements and more about whether anything they'll have to say about the climb is in any way inspiring to a potential 3rd or a 4th ascent team.
If they can't, or even have trouble identifying micro-enhancements, maybe they don't mean squat. Cause I can sure tell where people pound pins, place heads, garden and do everything else that we accept on virtually every El Cap Climb. What's the alternative to a micro-enhaned hook? Rivet? in the past- bathook.
Peace
Karl
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Healyjoe, the only first ascent that I know about you have done except for the FarSide choss, you named Menopause.....nobody does it because who the hell would want to do a climb with that name, plus it looks like a pile. Put on your Depends and take your Geritol. Now Wings of Steel, that has a nice ring to it.
I didn't name it, it ain't an FA yet given it steps out over 7-8 roofs, and yeah you don't know about my FAs - and what would be the point anyway given you couldn't lead them? But really, do try and keep your forums straight.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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I couldn't lead them? Do you know something I don't Joe? Did you pull on slings or something? Maybe we should take your challenge to Beacon when it opens and see what we can see, your secrect routes that no one can do. For a guy who doesn't crack climb, thats quite a throwdown you just made. But probably this Forum not the applicable place for a shootout, as Wings of Steel defintely eclipes any of our local climbing. Bring it on over at Cascade Climbers, ALL you can handle bro..!!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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...that's quite a throwdown you just made
Not really - but I can't think of a more appropriate thread for a spinoff throwdown. Oh, and just so we're clear, no dogging or pulling on gear of any kind has ever happened on an FA of mine. And nothing secret about the routes, you walk under them every time you walk down to go climb at Beacon - all you have to do is look up as you walk under the roofs (granted, most people don't).
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