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John M
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
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Thanks LG..I appreciate the answers. Your beliefs are similar to my own. But I believe that when we become one with the Father, that then Love becomes a figure eight flow between the Father/Mother and the Son/Daughter. So it not an expectation of getting back, but rather realizing that one has already been given to, and that this means that you are the one giving back, and this completes the karmic flow allowing the multiplication of Light/Truth/Love.
So back to your original question.
Do you have altruism for Donald Trump?
Do you actively practice, exhibit, and cultivate love, kindness, compassion, and sympathetic joy for Donald Trump?
Wouldn't it then be Altruistic to work to get Donald Trump out of office if you believed his actions were harming the country and ultimately himself? The primary problem with this is whether one was acting selflessly or not. Or acting out of some lower emotion such as fear or anger or hate. That would then cloud the altruistic act.
Just my thoughts. I enjoyed reading your posts.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
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MikeL.
You are correct
It is self interest
But I can still love on the side
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
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yeah Craig, it's only a fable spread through-out time through Man's heart.
So tell me Craig, what's more smarter; the mind, or the heart?
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
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Re. Love ^
In Christianity Jesus exemplifies this sort of unconditional love. When he's on the cross dying, instead of having anger or hatred for those that were humiliating, torturing, and murdering him, he had only love and compassion for them. He even prayed for them explaining to god that because of their ignorance they aren't even capable of knowing what they're doing, therefor they should be spared from the suffering of further punishment.
In that case, one must be shocked at the number of Christians who believe: that all those who don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior will, upon death of the body, have their souls thrown into a lake of fire to burn in agony for all eternity. It seems ridiculous to me that God should hold humans to a much greater standard of forgiveness and compassion than what He Himself is capable of.
It's just fine with me if religious folks keep on with their love, altruism, and charity. All I'd ask is that they let go of the stoopid sh#t, the bigotry, and the hate.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:45pm PT
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???
yes indeed
I have no idea where that came from
there was no greed, anger or hate in any of my posts, so I guess you were talking to someone else
question
answer; No I do not have any love what so ever for trump, or his cronies
why should I?
for arguments sake
I love my dog, why shouldn't I have unconditional love for her?
Is there any harm in this love?
I feel the love back from her.
I'm an atheist, I can love or not love anything or anyone I want.
There are no rules or guilt placed on my love
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
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freak's just like to dilute religion into the political stream!
STOP IT!
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:47pm PT
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GROW UP !
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:49pm PT
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It's just fine with me if religious folks keep on with their love, altruism, and charity. All I'd ask is that they let go of the stoopid sh#t, the bigotry, and the hate.
HA! said the toad to the grasshopper.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2017 - 07:55pm PT
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why Norton?
you just think old people are runnin this world, when really it's change!
trim off some branch's Brother!
;)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 14, 2017 - 09:35pm PT
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"So tell me Craig, what's more smarter; the mind, or the heart?"
Are you freaking kidding me??
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jun 15, 2017 - 06:41am PT
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Bob: Are you freaking kidding me??
Gee, Bob, that doesn’t strike me as such a weird or stupid question.
When it comes to life’s vicissitudes and challenges, which do you find leads you to better outcomes or to better understandings?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 15, 2017 - 06:52am PT
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Maybe not a stupid question but certainly not well phrased....."more smarter."
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 15, 2017 - 06:53am PT
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The heart has zero smarts
it pumps blood
Brains have all the smarts
that's where the mind lives
if heart stops pumping, brain dies, mind goes blank for eternity
it's a stupid question
any more questions
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 15, 2017 - 07:13am PT
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He wasn't talking about the gross physical heart.
He was referring to the spiritual soul, which is situated within the heart of every living entity ...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 15, 2017 - 07:50am PT
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What if the critter doesn't have a heart
where does it's soul reside?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 15, 2017 - 07:55am PT
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"When it comes to life’s vicissitudes and challenges, which do you find leads you to better outcomes or to better understandings?'
Your brain does with rational thinking...no matter what the crazy duck spews out.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 15, 2017 - 09:52am PT
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Threads like this are a bit like Republicans commenting on global warming. You have a group of individuals disinclined or in denial of the subject matter who have done no research on the subject and yet feel inclined to feign knowledge of the subject. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion on the matter of religion. It is, after all, an intensely personal thing. I don't tell people what they should believe so, conversely, I dislike people telling me what I supposedly think or feel or know about the subject.
Dr. F (the real one) said:
no evidence of Jesus or what he said verbatim exists
so we really have no idea what was going through his mind at any time during his life if he existed at all, or was just mythologized, which would be the likely explanantion This is not true. We know that Jesus was a real person. We have the Romans in part to thank for the census information they obtained. The big question, the real question, is whether Jesus was the divine figure that Christians believe him to be.
We do have a pretty good idea of what Jesus preached. Do we have a verbatim quote? I'm not sure what kind of evidence you need to support this statement? Audio tape, a notarized writing, etc.? For obvious reason those do not exist. However, we do have the Apostles who heard his teachings and taught them to other in the period immediately following Jesus' death. We have Paul writing his epistles about 20 yrs. after Jesus' death, and the first three gospels being written about a life time (c. 5-60 yrs.) later. Keep in mind that people did write things down back then (e.g. Paul's letters), so between that and oral history, which can be remarkably accurate, I think we have a pretty good idea of what Jesus said. There has been FAR more research on this area than you could possibly realize.
Re Donini's comment:
I suspect that the amount of altruism in a given population has nothing at all to do with religious belief or disbelief. Altruism and good behavior are as disconnected from religious belief as prayer is from influencing outcomes. I disagree with this alot. This is not unlike Jody's political observations. This is just one person's opinion based upon, well, his own opinion and little else. I give you that religion and altruism do not always correlate, nor do Christians always do a good job of following Jesus' example, sadly. Some clearly do; many do not. However, often when I find myself deciding whether I should give a homeless person a handout, or move to help someone, I do think about my faith and what Jesus would do. I try to be a decent person and help others out, in part because that's how I was raised (though I was raised Catholic), because I want to help and in part because I feel I am doing what my faith instructs me to do. To paraphrase Jesus, "whatever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me."
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 15, 2017 - 09:58am PT
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Craig, There are index medicus listed peer-reviewed studies that indicate the cardiac plexus and cardiac nerves input ultimately to the central nervous system modulates the limbic system, in general, and the autonomic nervous system, in particular. The limbic system has a lot to do with regulation/modulation of awareness, focus, attention, mood, memory and emotions.
It turns out the heart is actually quite "smart."
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