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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
TV News followed some LADWP "work" crews around for a few weeks. They found they spent most of their "work" time in strip joints and restaurants, when they should have been doing something more productive.

http://www.dailynews.com/20100430/cbs-2-dwp-workers-at-strip-clubs-while-on-the-job

Not a bad way to collect a six-figure salary, while possessing nothing more than a high school "education".

How come some hack shock-journalist like David Goldstein can keep a good eye on LADWP employees, yet LADWP's own management can't? WTF? Isn't that like Basic Management 101?

More money won't change an ass-hole mindset. I don't know why anyone would claim the problem is a lack of money.

We're supposed to be right on top of our leaking toilets, yet LADWP management can't even monitor their own employees.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 08:11am PT
We're supposed to be right on top of our leaking toilets, yet LADWP management can't even monitor their own employees.

again, unless you've mislead us about your water district status, nothing with the dwp affects you.

dwp has its own water. neither you nor your neighbors have anything to do with it-- conservation or waster or anything else in LA don't affect your water.

dwp is not a state agency. dwp is not on the swp.

la voters pay for dwp-- if they want management changed, they can vote to change it. that's the benefit of a publicly-owned utility as opposed to a private one, such as pg&e. but dwp doesn't have anything to do with you, or so you've told us.

dwp also has nothing to do with cvp, and swp.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 31, 2014 - 11:21am PT
Interesting. I just assumed the DWP would fall under the CPUC.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
no, DWP is public-- it's a municipal agency. the CPUC regulates privately owned utilities, like PG&E. You can see what a good job they've done of that simply by following the trail of federal indictment.

now DWP can buy and sell water or electricity in various other markets, and that can involves it with SWP deliveries in one way or another.

the same was supposed to be true for SF and Hetch Hetchy, but isn't, because SF voters declined to pass the bonds that would've financed a fully-public utility Instead, they ended up with PG&E, which has operated as something close to a criminal conspiracy, partly by basically capturing the regulatory agency.

I'm stating that a bit strongly, but that's basically the subtext of yesterday's federeal indictments and a reasonable inference from the serial revelations of PG&E wrongdoing and the brutal series of emails with PUC folks that was released this past week.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
btw, good study from The BIll Lane Center at Stanford that lays out the ongoing groundwater disaster, and does so with graphics that should be legible even to California voters and pols.

There's nothing new here, but it's in close to cartoon form-- maybe that will help, since nothing else seems to make any impression on the state's electorate or its leadership.

http://waterinthewest.stanford.edu/groundwater/metrics/index.html

crankster

Trad climber
Jul 31, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
Yes ... this whole country is mismanaged.

This why it's full of stupid Americans .....

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 1, 2014 - 07:56am PT
Good article, klk!

Someone mentioned the possibility of farmers taking their allotments from the aqueducts and simply selling it at great profits. This mentions how that is happening another way:

Heavy pumping is bringing water users into conflict with one another more frequently – pumping by large users is causing neighboring farms and rural residential wells to run dry. Without data and appropriate interpretation, well owners don’t know how their aquifer is doing and can’t anticipate changes. And some want to pump large amounts of groundwater – not for their own use– but to sell it somewhere else, upsetting their neighbors whose water levels in their wells continue to decline.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 3, 2014 - 01:11pm PT
. Near Twain Harte...National weather service issue of possible dam failure..flash flood warnings.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201819793690652&set=gm.737719942958739&type=1&theater

Cracks Reported In Twain Harte Dam With Water Flowing Through....Operators Concerned About Dam Failure

Posted by: thepinetree on 08/03/2014 11:37 AM
Sonora, CA...At 10:45am the operator of the Twain Harte Dam reported cracks being observed in the Dam with water flowing through the cracks. Loud booms are being heard near the reservoir...which could signal a potential failure of the dam. The complete warning is enclosed.... (Update as of 11:42am...We just checked in with TCU Command to see if they had been mobilized for potential evacuations etc. At this time it appears to be just a Flash Flood Warning. More to follow....


mtnyoung, have you heard anything about this?

Edit, Thanks, klk...
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 3, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
nita,

there's an assessment team going in but no reports yet.

the tuco incident feed on fb tends to update quicker than official outlets, but you also get the usual rumorbait

https://www.facebook.com/groups/incidentfeed/

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 4, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
Like I've been saying, summer's the new rain season where I live.

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20140804/1-dead-thousands-stranded-in-southern-california-storm

Those mountains are where I get my water. Not the Sierra or the Colorado River.

I measured rain four times in July, which is four more rains than we saw in January and February put together. And August if off to a rainy start.

Last year, it rained so much during the summer, none of the streams in the local mountains that normally run dry in summer did.

Global warming causing more monsoon activity? Bring it on!

You guys can have your drought. I won't be participating.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 4, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Global warming causing more monsoon activity? Bring it on!
Global Warming bringing on what may become the deepest drought ever up here. The hoped for early El Nino has not and likely will not come to pass.
Global Warming giveth there and taketh away here. Either way will cause significant economic and social disruption.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 4, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
Long Term Investment Tip - with all the Preppers saving can goods...I'm hoarding CAN OPENERS!

Want to eat?

You're gonna need to talk to me.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 4, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
hey there say, monolith, kunlun_shan, and klk...
thanks for the links...

nita:
oh my, as to the dam, doesn't sound good... :(


thanks all, for all the sharing...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 13, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
Wow! I got the green light to wash my driveway. With water.

http://www.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/08/13/sf-public-utilities-commission-passes-emergency-drought-restrictions

"No more hosing off ornamental landscapes, turf patches, or driveways; removal of human and animal waste is still okay, per the PUC's "health and safety" exemption."

Thanks to my goat's habit of pissing and shitting all over my driveway, I'm in the clear.

I have a long driveway, too. Like 1,000' long.

This *drought* isn't so bad after all. I think I can live with it.

Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Aug 14, 2014 - 11:43am PT
I'm curious as to the legitimacy of that chart, it looks like the result of someone with a vegan agenda who is not necessarily aggregating data in good faith.
jstan

climber
Aug 18, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
I just walked my area in Joshua Tree. In the last eight months fully half of the cholla has died and the other half is not far behind. Whether we get rains this winter or not we have reached an ecosystem turning point here at 3500 feet. Because of the minerals released by uplift of the mountain south of JT, we have enjoyed unusual diversity in plant life. Hard to say what the future will bring.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 18, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
moof, the water footprint for beef is really big, especially compared with pork. but that number in the chart is also potentially misleading. generally, pastured beef uses a lot less water than feedlot beef, although the devil is in the details.

in california, feedlot beef eats a lot of corn, and most of that is actually grown back in the midwest where drought isn't a problem. and since much of california hill country evolved as part of a grazing as well as a fire regime, there are arguments to be made for the suitability of certain kinds of grazing and watered pasture.

and jstan-- yeah, one of my favorite places in jtree, up around the queen mt contour, has basically suffered a complete dyoff of grass meadow and pine. that elevation was probably the lower edge of that ecozone even in the early 20th century. all those transitional areas in the high desert and sierra foothills are getting hit especially hard. in most places, the increased temp seems to be as much a problem as the precip.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 18, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
West’s historic drought stokes fears of water crisis

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2014/08/17/d5c84934-240c-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

One of the authors, Richard H0witt, a professor emeritus of resource economics, likened the problem to a “slow-moving train wreck.”

“A well-managed basin is used like a reserve bank account,” H0witt said. “We’re acting like the super rich who have so much money they don’t need to balance their checkbook.”
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 19, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
khanom, it's not so much what they drink--

water footprint calculations turn mostly on the water required to raise feed for stock, although folks get down to including estimates of evaporative loss from water tanks and so on. beef takes lots of water in cali because alfalfa is an irrigated crop in the west (one of the largest).

with backyard chickens you're right, there's probably not much "green water" involved--my friend dumpster dives at the grocery stores for old fruit and veggies and also lets her chickens scratch. none of that water is actually a cost, as she doesn't water her yard. the only real water involved is what little store-bought poultry feed she gives them on occasion.

yeah, the context matters a lot--
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Aug 19, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
pardon my farmly ignorance, but what does it mean to let chickens scratch?

related to the drought, has anyone read the reports of the massive el nino fizzling? Not that that means a whole lot. The statistics related to a large el nino don't point directly to a heavy winter.
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