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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 29, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
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I'll also mention that I used to own a house in the Tahoe basin, and sold it partially because of the extreme fire risk I observed.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
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But putting down the insurrection will be short and efficient, unlike then.
Lincoln didn't have Apache attack helicopters.
Since you like facts and quotes, show me a war where your president hasn't said the same thing, and where you haven't been mired down for years (and then left with the country in a mess and ruled by dictators who you propped up and later assassinated).
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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Ron, I'm sad you are so obstinate and insist on denying the hard work of others because it doesn't conform to your uneducated OPINION... because you seem like a decent enough guy otherwise.
Ken, I for one am happy for the Angora Fire. Sorry people lost their houses, but like I said... they now have bigger and better ones. From everyone I know who owns a house in the burned area, TRPA bent over backwards to help them rebuild.
I was working on the "South Shore Fuels Reduction Project" when I decided to go back to grad school. We were getting resistance from TRPA for not being strict enough with our hydrology and soils protection, and getting (more hostile) resistance from the veg department internally for scrutinizing their methods. I didn't mind because I'm confident a workable solution can be found if people take the time to collect quality data and look at the FACTS, rather than mere opinions. The Angora Fire woke some land managers up around here.. it also had some of the narrow-minded fools yelling "I told you so" followed by ignoratio elenchi ad nauseum... bringing up all kinds of unrelated stuff from driveway asphault to rain gutters to deck plans... as if those had anything to do with fuels treatments.
Emerald Bay Road was treated pretty heavily over the last couple years... and the tourons have been filing complaints left and right. As you may know, tourons have way more influence here than residents. A similar thing happened along pioneer trail some years back. Now the South Shore Fuels Project is in full swing and you can hear chainsaws from pretty much everywhere.
Point is, we need FACTS and DATA, not opinions. Ronny boy won't even reveal the locations of these cutting edge futuristic projects he helped pioneer so we can all see for ourselves. Why would the big bad government not continue doing them if the worked so well? Is it part of the UN invasion plan? He'd rather we just take his word for it that there was no erosion, etc (something that I will bet my M.S. degree is complete bullshit and 100% verifiably false). Reminds me of the folks who believe tires make for good stream restoration materials. Funny that he slams TRPA for doing the same thing (making sh#t up/relying on opinions) only from the other side.
That's why science rools.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
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I find it funny that Ron would bring up how much better a socialist Governments medical system is than ours.
The question was if the NRA have a stupid pill & the answer is Yes.
The next funny thing is all of you defending the most corrupt organization (NRA) in the U.S.
I'm a gun owner & gun collector.
Before you call out our Government you should get yourself in order. I left the NRA over 15 years ago, because of the blatant corruption at the top of the NRA.
Armed insurrection !!! Are you stupid? You sound like the lefties in the 1960's.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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But for all of those, we invaded foreign nations, whee we essentially had no national interests
There is a huge national interest in each country invaded. The US dollar, the ability to borrow more than GDP each year. The economic empire. To keep the American dream alive! All that was needed in the middle east lately was to overthrow the government that thought that they could sell oil for anything other than the US dollar and/or put gold into use as money. Libya, Iraq, Iran is trying but economic sanctions have worked so far... I just can't figure out why they hang around so long each time.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
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Stupid is as stupid does.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
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Regardless of what side of the "gun" fence you sit on...
Our country is flat broke. Fiat all around the world is essentially worthless. All that remains is a realization of that, a loss of faith. It is amazing the can has been kicked this far but they really have no choice at this point.
Historically that has meant widespread war, suffering, chaos, and tyranny except probably on a global scale this time rarely before seen in human history. There are too many variables falling apart at the same time to know the timing or the outcome. Maybe months, maybe decades.
If you cannot see that and these inane wedge issues constantly being driven between members of our society, quite on purpose, then please... carry on.
If you think our current government is truly representative of the people and has their best intentions in mind, then please... carry on.
We live in interesting times.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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like
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
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Yeah, the end of the world was predicted (again)... duh. And on top of that, there was a mass shooting, which can mean only one thing... Obama and the UN are coming after your guns, better buy more to protect yourself.
To quote the man who shares the name of my favorite dough...
Stupid is as stupid does.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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jghedge I hear you.
The U.S. can borrow money because we are 25% of the would GDP.
The world can't buy our bonds fast enough.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
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That sounds legal and responsible
USA USA USA!!!
And you wonder why people want stricter gun laws? Holy fuk man...
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
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Ron, you are stupid for selling muslims guns. They are our enemy (or so the government tells us). Sell it to a mexican! (or give it to him - fast&furious)
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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The Mexicans or the Americans?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 29, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
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Lincoln said in his 2nd inaugural address that suffering was being inflicted on the US as karma for the suffering we inflicted on the black race
All those who insist on that same suffering being inflicted on the 12,000 innocents who die at their hands each year will have that same suffering inflicted on them
Will you apply the same logic to the approximately one and a quarter million abortions in the US per year?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
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yeah, but those aren't really humans so we will need an adjustment factor... 0.01 or less based on weight.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
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libs hate the fact that abortion is basically the genocide of the black race...or do they?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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racist, erroneous, just plain stupid comment.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
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I was watching an episode of my favorite show, "Gangland" where the gang banger was discussing weapons.
9mm: Gotta shoot em 9 times.
.223 just pokes a hole in them.
AK-one shot and they drop.
Russ, get an old AK. They aren't good for shooting deer, but a rifle has real knockdown power. I own a tactical 12 gauge for Alaska, but I ended up just shooting the heads off of ptarmigan to add a little meat to the stew.
Yep. You can blow a ptarmigan's head off with a 12 gauge slug in 3 inch magnum. Good all around gun. Also kills T-Rex with a toe shot.
Why all of this talk of killing, though? You are super inventive and can catch them in snares or something. Then put them in a pit for a few weeks and dump the insane bastard on some freeway ramp. All safe and through withdrawal.
We could call it Russ's Ranch de Rehab.
No torture or anything, just no drugs for a couple of weeks.
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