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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

-A race of corn eaters

Sep 23, 2012 - 10:06pm PT

"To me, the atheist life is a better life and it deserves to be celebrated. To see reality as it is, to explore mystery with an open mind, and to make the most of this life knowing there is no promise of any other. This is a richer, fuller and more meaningful existence than one clouded and limited by superstition and promises of an afterlife."

Hear, hear! (As HFCS raises a chilled glass of C Sauvig to his lips)

The finished product will be a hardcover, professionally printed, large coffee table book featuring all 100+ photos in full color.

I hope the photo of Alex is a still from 60 minutes, the one on the Sentinel, where's he's cracking his winsome smile and whistling, remember that spot? about right there, or something similar.

There are no atheists in free solo rock climbing.

Yeah, right, and Islam is a religion of peace.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Sep 23, 2012 - 10:27pm PT

If U think that's interesting ?
U should read the book of psalms!

Don't think so small...

Jus Say'in
BB

WBraun

climber

Sep 23, 2012 - 10:48pm PT

The reason atheist failed is because they made a U turn at the cliff.

If they would have kept going and drove off the cliff they would have seen God .....

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

-A race of corn eaters

Sep 25, 2012 - 11:48am PT

An impeccably erudite and keen argument against atheism:

"In the Darwinian perspective, order is not immanent in reality, but it is a self-affirming aspect of reality in so far as it is experienced by situated subjects. However, it is not so much reality that is self-affirming, but the creative order structuring reality which manifests itself to us. Being-whole, as opposed to being-one, underwrites our fundamental sense of locatedness and particularity in the universe. The valuation of order qua meaningful order, rather than order-in-itself, has been thoroughly objectified in the Darwinian worldview. This process of de-contextualization and reification of meaning has ultimately led to the establishment of ‘dis-order’ rather than ‘this-order’. As a result, Darwinian materialism confronts us with an eradication of meaning from the phenomenological experience of reality. Negative theology however suggests a revaluation of disorder as a necessary precondition of order, as that without which order could not be thought of in an orderly fashion. In that sense, dis-order dissolves into the manifestations of order transcending the materialist realm. Indeed, order becomes only transparent qua order in so far as it is situated against a background of chaos and meaninglessness. This binary opposition between order and dis-order, or between order and that which disrupts order, embodies a central paradox of Darwinian thinking. As Whitehead suggests, reality is not composed of disordered material substances, but as serially-ordered events that are experienced in a subjectively meaningful way. The question is not what structures order, but what structure is imposed on our transcendent conception of order. By narrowly focusing on the disorderly state of present-being, or the “incoherence of a primordial multiplicity”, as John Haught put it, Darwinian materialists lose sense of the ultimate order unfolding in the not-yet-being. Contrary to what Dawkins asserts, if we reframe our sense of locatedness of existence within a the space of radical contingency of spiritual destiny, then absolute order reemerges as an ontological possibility. The discourse of dis-order always already incorporates a creative moment that allows the self to transcend the context in which it finds itself, but also to find solace and responsiveness in an absolute Order which both engenders and withholds meaning. Creation is the condition of possibility of discourse which, in turn, evokes itself as presenting creation itself. Darwinian discourse is therefore just an emanation of the absolute discourse of dis-order, and not the other way around, as crude materialists such as Dawkins suggest."

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/a-sokal-style-hoax-by-an-anti-religious-philosopher-2/

Remind you of anyone around here? :)

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Sep 25, 2012 - 01:56pm PT

The guy admitted to writing things just to get a rise out of people. A fine example of a beautiful working body and mind working to bring disorder to the universe.

I propose God created this world with complete order in mind. Knowing that matter is spontaneous and thus causing disorder. When God placed Adam in the garden of Eden it was a perfect picture of how the environment and nature could work together in a orderly harmonious fashion. Only when lies, deception, betrayal and ego were introduced did the world realize disorder.

Jus Being Orderly
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Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Sep 25, 2012 - 02:28pm PT

For the love of god... don't...

And god save the holy ghost!

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Sep 25, 2012 - 03:38pm PT

My God ordered me to "kill" Satan with the message of the GOOD NEWS!!!!
This is the only "killing" you can do and get to heaven!
And not a prison sentence.

Jus Praz'in
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rectorsquid

climber

Lake Tahoe

Sep 25, 2012 - 04:24pm PT

Only when lies, deception, betrayal and ego were introduced did the world realize disorder.

Introduced? Didn't God create all? Why the f--- would God create disorder if that was not part of the plan?

And what a grand plan it would be if disorder were part of it. What if atheists were part of the plan?

The atheists made a turn at the cliff so that they could see it and look beyond. The theists kept going and saw God but saw nothing else of the universe they lived in for the cliff was the end to their world.

Dave

rectorsquid

climber

Lake Tahoe

Sep 25, 2012 - 04:35pm PT

The constitution guarantees free speech. I wonder why God would not guarantee, and more importantly, support, free thought.

I guess the idea is to build a country and a society where people have free speech and free expression but build a world where people are slaves; a world where no questioning thought will go unpunished.

No wonder so many people in this country and around the world support free speech; they know deep inside that there is nothing free at all about it. They just wait and expect a higher power to silence what they don't want to hear instead of using a government to do it.

The atheists are right to fear Christians because one day they will again tire of waiting for God to rid the world of the non-believers and try again to do it themselves. We would fear the Mormons too but there are not so many of them.

Dave

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Sep 25, 2012 - 05:28pm PT

Dave,
I did say disorder was known about in God's grand plan.and so were atheist. God said there would be many who would not believe.
the story of God placing Adam on earth in a spiritual heavenly body. And for Adam siding with his own ego to go against gods word. Was instantly made aware that his body (matter) was "naked". This caused him shame so much he wanted to hide it. So he put on clothes.
This is the number one story of man's disorder.

Jus Chat'in
BB

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Sep 26, 2012 - 02:53am PT

God's an atheist!

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Sep 26, 2012 - 03:33am PT

God is a creationist and here's photographic evidence!!

Delhi Dog

climber

Good Question...

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:03am PT

Miss J,
First I find your story hard to believe, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...
My reaction to the story, is in considering the source of who is talking. For one I'd guess the "Imam" in your story does not speak for all Muslim peoples just as I'm sure you do not speak for all those of Christian faith.

"but I understand that most Imams and clerics of
Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the
world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims)"

"...as I understand that most Imams..." there you go. Your understanding. Based on...your direct experience, your visits to Mosques, your watching of FOX news, what exactly do you base this statement on?

That you 'exposed' the the lunacy of his teaching in no ways speaks to the hundreds of thousands of Muslims world wide as well as those in the USA and their beliefs. Your implied conclusion that Islam is teaching hatred and the killing of "non- believers" because this guy says so is false. I know there are plenty of other Imams preaching tolerance and respect for all.

You are as guilty as he is in spreading miss-information. To have "everyone read this" would only further inflame the hatred and narrow mindedness behind so much of the world's current problems (and one which plenty of believers and non-believers find sickening).

You appear to be no more than an us-against-them robot.

cheers

edit: and for what it's worth you might want to do a little more research on what Jihad actually means to the majority of Muslims not just the extremist and fundamentalist...

slayton

Trad climber

Here and There

Sep 27, 2012 - 05:50am PT

I love "quite muslims". Just like I love "quite" christians. Quite now. You hush.

Edit: I hate it when others edit or just delete their posts that I have responded to. Especially when it leaves my response hanging, without any reference, innocuous, lifeless in the humor it should have enjoyed. Shame on you Miss J for denying me this pleasure.

Delhi Dog

climber

Good Question...

Sep 27, 2012 - 08:17am PT

Indeed ms j you are entitled to your opinion, and believe me when I say it's obvious.

When you wrote you were showing ( by posting that letter/ article) the "extreme side of the Muslim faith" not once did you indicate this. What you DID not indicate was a difference. You did not differentiate at all.

"I base my opinion on the 9/11 attack on America and the actions of those killing our people in the American Embassy over a movie on youtube. that one person made. Why didn't they go after the one person rather than killing just any American? OR better yet why kill anyone at all because someone doesn't agree with the "Muslim" indoctrine? The muslim has not gained a damn thing by killing innocent people. I am entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not and even if it offends someone, Just like the Atheist who have posted here. "

"The Muslim" not 'the fanatics',or 'the extremist', or the as#@&%es...
The jury is still out about 'your people' in the American embassy getting killed whether it was because of the movie or for other reasons.
I would suspect that they didn't ' go after' the one making the movie because ' they' aren't as easy of a target due to the simple fact that a half world separates the two.

And murder is murder no matter what race, color, religion, gender.
Why don't you refer to them as murderers? Because its too easy to call them muslims instead and it reinforces your us- against-them attitude...

Yes you are welcome to share your opinion, it tells so much about you as a person.
Especially when you write at the end;
"(FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....SEND THIS ON . ..)"...I think there is more to your 'sharing' than you're admitting...spreading fear and hatred, not very Christian like is it...

That religion plays such a big part in all this might be a very good reason for many to be an atheist.

Cheers

edit: and for what its worth...one of the biggest contributing factors of this us-vs-them mentality/worldview is the lack of education available. When your primary venue of education is through a religious lens, especially a very strict and fundamentalist one than your world view is going to be a religious one which is strict and fundamentalist. When those "teachers" are teaching and preaching religious ideologies in this manner it is no wonder there is such narrow-mindedness. Be it in Pakistan on Mississippi.
Poor or non-existent education is our real enemy, not Muslim or Christians or whatever.
Once again separate religion(s) and keep it out of schools. Teach critical thinking and empathy for others...
Okay, sorry end of rant.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Sep 27, 2012 - 09:30am PT

Wbraun...so what you're saying is I as a woman should not have an opinion unless you give me one?

Just had to say what a horrific cu.nt Miss J is.

lol.

..and if I walked into a biker bar I dare say I would be more accepted than you.

Well, you've already roundly made the majority of Supertopo think you are a terrible person, why would a biker bar be any different? Derelicts, satanists, pot heads... yup, pretty sure they all would hate you.

edit - missed this

Jody, this ois pnly for you. You're an example to live by. Thanks for not giving up. Did you get my personal reply?

Jody = Miss J. We've been had.... lol

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Sep 27, 2012 - 09:46am PT

Us And Them.

It even starts out all church organy, so missJ can feel all warm and churchy and at home.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

This is not for you CoZmic!

There are 2.2 BILLION Muslims in the world. If they all had that kill all westerners attitude, it would be an ugly world indeed.

Delhi Dog

climber

Good Question...

Sep 27, 2012 - 10:01am PT

"Delhi Dog, you need to calm down and take a deep breathe and just accept writings as they are. Your anger is only affecting you. Your hatred is showing through and speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

We all just have to get over the insults don't we?

God bless all of you. "
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First, MsJ I have no hatred. I am not even angry.

Second, where is it in what you wrote (in reference to that article) did you separate your thoughts from that of the author's?
Was it from the beginning "Just sharing..." where did the article end?
You mean to tell me you have no opinion about that article yet you felt moved to share it here in an Atheist thread (which by the way YOU clicked on, no one forced you to)

Third, (And) why should I accept anything without questioning and challenging it especially something that is written?
Obviously you do, which might be your problem. YOU can accept writings as you find them but don't expect any intelligent person to.

If my response to you indicate who I am than I'm glad, though I think you're missing a whole lot along the way, especially when you bless all of us (for the record I am not an atheist) with your god.

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Survival-kick ass!