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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Apr 25, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
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It doesn't matter why anyone was following anyone. Even if the black guy was seen smashing car windows and rifling through the glove boxes it wouldn't matter since you can't shoot anyone for that. Even if the hispanic ran right up to the black guy and yelled "Hey muther-fu##$, what the $##$ do you think you're doing here?" that doesn't give the black guy the right to swing first.
All that matters is who swung or pulled a gun/knife first and what happened in the next 40 seconds or so.
Of course jury's rarely follow laws.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2012 - 06:28pm PT
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a post dated Aug. 24, 2005, Zimmerman downplayed an alleged domestic dispute involving his ex-girlfriend: "Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me!"
In another, on Aug. 30, 2005, he boasted about how a pair of felony charges related to an alleged assault on a police officer were dropped. "2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!!" Zimmerman wrote.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Where's JJ and AS?
Sigh... When "Stand your Ground" would come in handy....
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 11, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
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I guess it works different if you're black with a gun
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 Saying he had no discretion under state law, a judge sentenced a Jacksonville, Florida, woman to 20 years in prison Friday for firing a warning shot in an effort to scare off her abusive husband.
Marissa Alexander unsuccessfully tried to use Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law to derail the prosecution, but a jury in March convicted her of aggravated assault after just 12 minutes of deliberation.......
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 15, 2012 - 12:36am PT
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Profiling to the limit. No Southern Comfort.
A postcard commemorating the lynching; written on the back: “This is the barbecue we had last night. My picture is to the left with a cross over
it. Your son, Joe [Myers].”
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 15, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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Karl,
A "warning shot" is NEVER warranted, EVER, because it's always dangerous. It's proof of reckless endangerment with a GUN.
No wonder the law hit her with the Million Pound Shithammer, because it should have. Twenty years sounds about right to me.
Anyone who thinks "warning shots" are appropriate needs to be separated from the rest of us, for at least a couple decades.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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May 16, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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Why?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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May 16, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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We've always said there was a physical confrontation. One guy was better with his fists, but the other guy had a gun.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 16, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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Why?
The Dr. testimony and physical evidence that Zimmerman got his butt kicked pretty much blows apart the story that Zimmerman went "hunting" for Trayvon, unless you think that Zimmerman is an incredibly bad "hunter" (possible, but highly speculative). Hunters armed with guns don't generally get their butts kicked by unarmed "prey."
I'm not a criminal defense lawyer, but in my experience, juries and judges love physical evidence and anything they can use to try to support or refute a witnesses's statements. The butt kicking evidence (even if it may be somewhat disputed by the prosecution) fits in great with Zimmerman's story that he used deadly force after finding himself on the losing end of a serious fight; it doesn't support the "hunting" theory that people on this thread have posited.
I'm not at all defending Zimmerman's course of conduct, this is just dispassionate analysis of the likelihood of conviction based on the publicly available evidence.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 16, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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What injuries - besides bullet holes - did Martin end up with?
( I either didn't read it, or I don't remember )
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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May 16, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
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Chaz - think it noted his had injuries on his knuckles also.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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May 16, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
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So, I stalk and confront you while armed, and you defend yourself, I get to shoot you.
Makes sense to me~!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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May 16, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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that Zimmerman got his butt kicked pretty much blows apart the story that Zimmerman went "hunting" for Trayvon
Uh, no, it doesn't. He left his vehicle and followed the kid, despite the instructions from the police dispatcher not to do so. He decided he could accost this kid because he was packing and his gun would get him out of a sticky situation if anything went wrong. He accosted a child who feared for his safety as he clearly indicated to his girlfriend on the phone, a child who was doing nothing wrong and had every right to be where he was. Then once he was getting his ass beat by this scared kid who had no idea wtf this stalking clown was doing following him at night, he drew a gun and murdered him in cold blood.
F*#k that coward Zimmerman, I hope he rots in a prison cell for the rest of his life.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 16, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
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The Dr. testimony and physical evidence that Zimmerman got his butt kicked pretty much blows apart the story that Zimmerman went "hunting" for Trayvon Non sequitur! All sorts of unintended mishaps occur on hunting trips, climbing trips, acid trips, or even trips to the store.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 16, 2012 - 04:31pm PT
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. . .he drew a gun and murdered him in cold blood.
Ummmm, I believe that shooting someone while you're getting your arse beat down is really the opposite of what "cold blood" means, even if (you think) the gut deserved an arse beating.
But I actually agree with you and Gary to a large extent--Zimmerman certainly created the mess that left someone else dead. Maybe conceptually it's a little like the Casey Anthony case: you know the defendant is guilty of something, but it's not easy prove all the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.
Anyway I know the discussion on this can get repetitive and I'm a bad offender, so I'll pipe down on this until there's new developments; I just thought the Dr. testimony is highly relevant to Zimmerman's self defense so I passed it along.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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May 16, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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is really the opposite of what "cold blood" means
Yep, poor word choice on my part. "Crime of passion" or whatever the terminology is for 2nd degree.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 16, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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Crimper-g writes:
"Chaz - think it noted his had injuries on his knuckles also."
That sounds like an ordinary fist-fight to me.
I've seen a hundred of them - maybe a couple hundred - and nobody shot anybody.
( one guy, after being tossed from the bar - actually tossed - retrieved a gun from his truck and shot the bar up. he didn't hit anybody )
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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May 16, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
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Zimmerman is guilty of horrible judgement. He knew what he was starting when he went into the situation.
"I have a gun."
"I can use it to defend myself."
"Sh*t I'm getting my a** beat!"
I don't believe he wanted to kill Martin, but he did profile him. He felt safe and in charge with a gun. When the fecal matter his the reciprocating mechanism (sh*t hit the fan) he went to plan B, gun.
Sadly they can't give you jail time for being a d*mb f*ck with poor judgement.
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