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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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I'd say the ruling is a pretty substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against GM.
You couldn't be more wrong. It is NOT a substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against Mortenson. It is just a finding that, assuming the allegations are correct, the plaintiffs would not be entitled to any damages.
The court is saying, "So what if Mortenson lied in his book and you purchased the book? We're not going to let you sue him over this, just because you purchased his crappy book."
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Graniteclimber may not understand a petty suit over a major principle (like being called a liar), but he is correct in that the court has said that buying a book of lies doesn't make you a fraud victim; it just means you are gullible and thus a candidate for "human".
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Graniteclimber may not understand a petty suit over a major principle (like being called a liar),
Huh? Seriously, what is that you think I may not understand?
Edit: Lots of people lie every day. Some of them are big lies and some of them are little lies. But you aren't entitled to damages everytime someone lies to you.
If I could get damages every time I bought or read a book (hey I invested my time...) that has falsehoods in it, I'd be rich.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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It is NOT a substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against Mortenson. It is just a finding that, assuming the allegations are correct, the plaintiffs would not be entitled to any damages. When I posted my response, I didn't want to get too involved in the possible nature of the dispositive ruling. I don't know if it was a demurrer, motion for summary judgment, etc. I was thinking about putting a caveat that the plaintiffs could have been undone by whatever legal theory of recovery they pursued, but didn't want to bore everyone to tears.
Having said that, court are very generous in giving parties ample opportunity to state a cause of action. If a party can't do so, unless they were dinged on a statute of limitations issue or some other procedural defect, I personally have to belief there was likely little merit to the claim. The dismissal appears to have been on substantive grounds, not procedural.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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There is this huge confusion of details, legalities and whatnot but what I would like to know should be quite empirical and possible to check
Where schools built or not? Did the numbers and strength of those school live up to what the organization publicized?
Peace
Karl
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 24, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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It is going to be on 60 Minutes again.
I wonder if there are any updates.
EDIT
yes.
He is now a CAI employee unable to access funds (and he paid back over $1M.)
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jun 24, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
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Thanks Ron; interesting update certainly. Even this dramatic liquidity of his is peculiar.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jun 24, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
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Being sued over a fact/fiction in a book is silly, but the one million dollar slam from the state is no joke. I'm really glad Karakauer brought the hammer down on this guy. The press release from CAI is huge spin, for sure, but not unexpected. I sure most of the people working there believe in the mission. Personally, I'm putting money locally.
Oh well.
BAd
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jun 24, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
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Where schools built or not? Did the numbers and strength of those school live up to what the organization publicized?
Apparently it’s difficult verifying the numbers and quality of schools in these areas of the world.
CAI claims to have built or helped to build 78 schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan; and also supports 48 schools in refugee camps in the region. In 2011 CAI asserted to have paid salaries of 114 full time teachers.
Sixty minutes and Mr Krakauer declared many of the schools were empty but CAI protested that some schools serve nomadic peoples who did not reside in the locale when reporters proposed that they were “empty”.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
u.s. 395
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^^^ sad
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Perhaps we need to say it outright rather than as a link: David Oliver Relin has taken his own life. He was the co-author of Three Cups of Tea, the much disputed account of Mortensen coming off a failed attempt on K2 and on this new journey discovering his charitable self etc etc. Relin's death is very troubling and very sad. It occurred November 15 in Oregon.
the two authors in earlier days:
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Morgan
Trad climber
East Coast
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Were schools built?
I think so. Members of the 2008 K2 Tall Mountain Expedition paid a visit to the school that Jack Tackle funded. Andy Selters took pictures there.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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sad
I wonder if his decision was directly related to the TCT scandal? And I wonder what he knew, or was he duped himself.
In any case very sad.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Mr. Relin suffered major depression, apparently, because of legal fees and steep down turn in his writing career from the Three Cups of Tea controversy.
…especially mournful since,…ostensibly, he’d been unaware there were major fabrications in Greg Mortenson’s account of events in the book.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, jenny and all, thank you for sharing...
:(
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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I'm shaken by the news of Renlin's suicide... there but for the grace of God...
Profound sympathies to his friends and family.
I posted some thoughts about the tragedy yesterday.
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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What a tragic turn of events. I hope the family and friends of Mr. Relin can find some peace.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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This is just heartbreaking. His heart was in the right place, he cared about children. I don't know what else to say. My thoughts and prayers are with his family and loved ones, and my hope is that it will help to bring them some peace.
edit: Gene - yes, the whole thing is very sad.
sometimes, the higher the mountain top, the deeper the valley. and in the deepest of valleys there sometimes lurks the shadow of death.
i hope that this somehow all turns around. that no more bad, only good will begin to sprout.
"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me, your rod and staff, they comfort me."
Please be with them, and comfort them, Lord!
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Gene
climber
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The entire TCT/CAI episode is so sad. Condolences to the family and friends Mr. Renlin.
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