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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Dec 21, 2010 - 11:24am PT
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"Stand up and be counted. Stand up for truth. Stand up for the peoples' righteousness. Stand by your ideals. Yea, they may whack you down but you can get back up. And if you can't get back up, then others can get back up for you. Keep fighting for right. Don't give up. I know how the story ends. Righteousness wins. "
Stand up and post under your real name!
Fricking wuss.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 21, 2010 - 11:27am PT
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This the same Al Franken who just voted YES! for the Obama tax cuts for the rich? Then he blamed Obama LOL!. Probably thought it's too late to blame Bush.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-franken/the-hardest-vote-ive-take_b_796716.html
Same-same as it ever was.
Short version if you don't want to read it, this is all Obama's fault. Al Franken on why he voted for the Obama Tax Cuts for the rich (Franken say's it's all Obama's fault, which is a change from it being Bush's fault at least = progress!). Of course, government spending is out of control with no end in sight and not a word on that either from Al. What respect I did have for the man has diminished dramatically. Looks like George Soros, the Kocks and and all the rich folks will give Big Al the Christmas reach around he so desperately seems to need. The demsolibs seem to know which side their bread is buttered, maybe they learned that from the Rebublif*#ks? Hey, it's only money, keep sending yours right in there so they can continue to spend it irresponsibly for you.
How your senators voted: http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st_senatevotetax1210a_20101204.html
Fortunately, this graphic will help us know where all that money will be going. As you can see, I'll be investing porn whereas some others will be loading up on mayonnaise for the rats. :grin: Maybe this will "trickle down" and I can eventually afford a butler for my butler next go round.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 21, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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Douglas Rhiner,
I have posted my full name before. Also others have too. I'm not hiding. I like the Avatar name "Klimmer." If you really want to know you can figure it out with a little search on your own.
Why should that bother you?
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 22, 2010 - 02:50am PT
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WASHINGTON—The top communications regulator won support to pass contentious new rules for Internet traffic, a move likely to face legal challenges and create uncertainty about Internet regulation.
The Federal Communications Commission is set to approve on Tuesday Chairman Julius Genachowski's proposed rules governing net neutrality—a concept aimed at preventing Internet providers from interfering with web traffic.
By AMY SCHATZ
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704610904576032033563531432.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2010 - 01:37pm PT
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Well there's not much new with Wikileaks lately.
The CIA has made a task force to investigate wikileaks called "Wikileaks Task Force" code named "WTF"
"WTF" LOL
Hahahaha
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 22, 2010 - 03:14pm PT
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WTF is CIA ?
They're the ones flying the Predator Drones.
That wispy little albino chester had better watch his ass, or he's liable to see a HellFire Missile coming through his window.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 22, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4670237
UN looking into WikiLeaks suspect's (Pfc. Bradley Manning) treatment
Source: WP/AP
HAGERSTOWN, Md. -- The United Nations says it is looking into a complaint that the Army private suspected of giving classified documents to WikiLeaks has been mistreated in custody.
The UN office for torture issues in Geneva said Wednesday it received a complaint from one of Pfc. Bradley Manning's supporters alleging that conditions in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va., amount to torture. Visitors say he spends at least 23 hours a day alone in a cell.
The Pentagon has denied mistreating Manning. A Marine Corps spokesman says the military is keeping Manning safe, secure and ready for trial.
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The UN could ask the United States to stop any violations it finds.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/22/AR2010122203042.html
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 22, 2010 - 06:33pm PT
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WTFWWBD?
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Dec 22, 2010 - 08:36pm PT
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WikiLeaks illuminated the people with reasoning minds who support it, and the people with power-damaged minds who oppose it.
Power can only exist on deception. And deception, like power, cannot be sustained by the human mind, a contradiction identification and resolution device.
Reasoning exists on sharing all knowledge, which advances the human phenomenon, primarily the illumination of deception for open public questioning.
In the future, when humans belatedly emerge from the intellectual dark ages, WikiLeaks (Julian Assange and Bradley Manning) will be credited by historians as the most dramatic advancement of human reasoning ability in our era. Those who attacked it will be described as equivalent to those who attacked Leonardo de Vinci, Christopher Columbus, and those other famous chaps who dared to openly question the institution leaders whose power was dependent on secrecy, keeping the people ignorant.
Until then, enjoy the show of the ignorant chaps who cannot tolerate you knowing what your government is saying and doing in your name, with your money.
Respectfully, DougBuchanan.com
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Knave
climber
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Dec 22, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
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Thanks Mr. Buchanan,
Very well put.
While 90% the leaks seem rather pedestrian it doesn't distract from the fact that this was a stroke of genius. Perhaps momentum may be in the favor of the commonwealth with more sites like Wiki-leaks on the horizon which are apparently in the works.
Let the disclosures begin.
Sincerely, Tim Hill
P.S My only hope is that these leaks are not a ploy to placate and distract and were let to happen....just paranoid!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 23, 2010 - 05:30pm PT
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We were once "Land of the Free" and "Home of the Brave." Now we are land of the imprisoned and home of the tortured.
Shameful America to allow this.
He hasn't even been charged. He has not been found guilty of any crime. He is a young man of conscience and high moral standing. Yet we imprison him and treat him this way. Shame America. Shame.
The UN is now looking into his treatment.
Michael Moore has a great deal to say with Rachel Maddow up stream in this thread. If you haven't watched that you should. MM is right on the money. He is correct.
In the Nuremburg trails after WW2, it came out that we as soldiers or anyone privy were expected to fullfill our moral obligations and report War Crimes. When you know the chain of command is corrupt, all you have then available is whistle-blowing. That is exactly what PFC Manning did. He exposed War Crimes of our troops and our government, of which they were attempting to hide under high level security classifications and State Secrets.
The US Government is proving to the World just how unjust and corrupt it really has become.
Bradley Manning Speaks About His Conditions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4671273
http://my.firedoglake.com/blog/2010/12/23/bradley-manning-speaks-about-his-conditions
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 23, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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Klimmer, Bradley IS in the military, and so subject to their "detention".
Still, I agree with you and some others, the actual condition of his imprisonment seems unnecessarily
harsh.
No doubt a fair amount of retribution for his unauthorized leaks.
And Bradley is an adult, he knew full well what he was doing was bound
to bring very unpleasant consequences upon himself.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 23, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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the manning aspect of this tends to confirm that wikileaks is cointelpro. manning doesn't look like he has the marbles upstairs to log onto his own computer, much less break loose a mountain of classified information. he is being kept under strange conditions against due process. it all points to: patsy.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 24, 2010 - 02:15am PT
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Sounds to me like they are doing a loooooooooong form of slow torture You'd know all about that, I guess. The death of a thousand (moronic) posts, on whack job conspiracy theory threads of all kinds.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 24, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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You better listen to the Michael Moore interview by Rachel Maddow.
Sorry I disagree strongly.
The Nuremberg trails proved the point. If you are in the services and you see War Crimes you are to expose them. If your chain of command is corrupt then your only option is to go around them and blow the whistle.
When you take an oath of duty, you take the oath to protect the Constitution, you do not take the oath to a person or to protect crimes and corruption.
§ 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer
(a) Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
"I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
(b) Who May Administer.— The oath may be taken before the President, the Vice-President, the Secretary of Defense, any commissioned officer, or any other person designated under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces_oath_of_enlistment
If the President of the USA asks you to do something illegal and immoral or your chain of command asks you to do something illegal and immoral you do not have to obey those orders. And yes, you can report what you were asked to do. If you see crime, corruption, and cover-up you are bound by duty and moral obligation to do something about it.
"I will obey the orders . . . according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
Once again. You do not take an oath to a person, you take an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, and you are to obey the orders according to regulations and the Uniform code of Military Justice.
Do you run the risk of pissing off your chain of command and suffering as a result? Yes you do. That is because people run the military and people are human and can do wrong and can do criminal behavior and crimes, and they will attempt to or successfully cover up their crimes. This is wrong.
You naysayers. Where is your conscience? Is it seared?
Know your history. See what Daniel Ellsberg did for our Country. He saved thousands of lives by blowing the whistle. And yes servicemen can blow the whistle. They need to be protected.
How many of you served? Raise your hand.
Dang Chicken Hawks.
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