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TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:54pm PT


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Groundwater losses from the Colorado River basin appear massive enough to challenge long-term water supplies for the seven states and parts of Mexico that it serves, according to a new study released Thursday that used NASA satellites.

Researchers from NASA and the University of California, Irvine say their study is the first to quantify how much groundwater people in the West are using during the region's current drought.

Stephanie Castle, the study's lead author and a water resource specialist at the University of California, Irvine, called the extent of the groundwater depletion "shocking."

"We didn't realize the magnitude of how much water we actually depleted" in the West, Castle said.

Since 2004, researchers said, the Colorado River basin — the largest in the Southwest — has lost 53 million acre feet, or 17 trillion gallons, of water. That's enough to supply more than 50 million households for a year, or nearly fill Lake Mead — the nation's largest water reservoir — twice.

Three-fourths of those losses were groundwater, the study found.

Unlike reservoirs and other above-ground water, groundwater sources can become so depleted that they may never refill, Castle said. For California and other western states, the groundwater depletion is drawing down the reserves that protect consumers, farmers and ecosystems in times of drought.

"What happens if it isn't there?" Castle said during a phone interview. "That's the scary part of this analysis."

The NASA and University of California research used monthly gravity data to measure changes in water mass in the basin from December 2004 to November of last year, and used that data to track groundwater depletion.

"Combined with declining snowpack and population growth, this will likely threaten the long-term ability of the basin to meet its water-allocation commitments to the seven basin states and to Mexico, Jay Famiglietti, senior author on the study and senior water-cycle specialist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, said in a statement.

The Colorado River basin supplies water to about 40 million people and 4 million acres of farmland in seven states — California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah and Wyoming — as well as to people and farms in part of Mexico.

California, one of the nation's largest agricultural producers, is three years into drought. While the state has curtailed use of surface water, the state lacks a statewide system for regulating — or even measuring — groundwater.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 30, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
We're told the drought is bad.

So bad a guy in Santa Cruz was fined $3,000 because his toilet leaked.

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/santa-cruz/santa-cruz-man-sloshed-with-3000-penalty-for-running-toilet/27235596#!brvqrt

So bad, LADWP has issued a list of things they want us to do to save every drop of water possible.

"Reducing water use is as simple as checking sprinkler timers, checking indoors for leaky faucets and toilets, and using a hose fitted with a shut-off nozzle when watering landscape or washing your car."

http://www.ladwpnews.com/go/doc/1475/1426279/LADWP-Reminds-Customers-to-Conserve-Water

But apparently the drought hasn't gotten bad enough for the LADWP to heed its own advice, and be vigilant with basic maintenance, like the rest of us are expected to do.

A 93 (!) year-old pipe burst, and pissed away ALL the water you, me, and everybody else here worked so f*#king hard to conserve. And then some!

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ucla-main-break-gallons-lost-20-million-20140730-story.html

We're encouraged by the LADWP to replace perfectly working toilets to conserve water, yet LADWP won't replace an old water-wasting pipe for almost a century.

LADWP should prove they can take their own advice first, before advising anybody else.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 30, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
Chaz, as you know, that is an unreasonable point of view.

You know what they need to do what you want, right? MONEY. It takes millions and millions of dollars to replace those pipes.

They know this. They are replacing them as fast as they can...with the money that ratepayers will permit them to do so.

But you don't have a grasp on the amount of water.

20 million gallons is about 62 acre-feet.

An acre-foot is the amount of water that 2 familes of four use in a year, approx.

So this is the amount of water that 124 families would use in a year.

In the context of the equivalent of 1 million such families, not much water.

or, looked at another way:

Total water usage of city is about 200 BILLION gallons a year.

We are being asked to cut back 20%. That is 40 billion gallons.

So what we are asked to save is:

40,000,000,000 vs, what was lost:
.......20,000,000

less than 1 tenth of 1%..............
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 30, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
I have always been puzzled about water rates to homeowners.

Here in LA, they make two adjustments: one for weather, and another for the size of your lot. They index it to the number of people living there.

I can understand weather---sort of. It is explained by the need for more water for outdoor plants in hot weather.......but don't we want to discourage that, and encourage drought tolerant natives instead of thirsty lawn?

But the size of your lot????? In other words, I get paid a bonus if I have a larger lot than average. I don't agree with that at all.
If I want to squander drinking water on landscaping, let me pay for it. A lot more than average.

THAT is how we generate more revenue for replacement of old pipes!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
Ken M writes:

"You know what they need to do what you want, right? MONEY. It takes millions and millions of dollars to replace those pipes."



Do you think $40,000,000 would help?

Because that's how much LADWP has pissed away on some sh#t called The Joint Safety Institute. As far as anyone can determine, that cash was wasted on salaries, travel and office expenses.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/19/local/la-me-dwp-audit-20131120

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/politics/2013/09/25/14834/tax-returns-show-millions-spent-on-salaries-travel/

They have the cash - plenty of it, it's just squandered away on foolishness. And excessively high salaries.

"Take my advice. I'm not using it" is what my buddy tells his son when he wants to tell him not to do like Dad. At least he's honest.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
I find it hard to disagree with that point
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 30, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/water_issues/programs/drought/emergency_regulations_waterconservation.shtml

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
"Take my advice. I'm not using it."

I just love that line.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
chaz, you told us yr not on dwp. yr not a dwp customer. and because dwp is a public agency, answerable to la city voters, yr also not involved.

according to the reckoning you gave us of yr water situ, dwp issues don't affect u at all. nor do mwd.

but tfpu
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
My water district apparently keeps up on its basic maintenance, because nobody around here can remember the last time a pipe burst.

But we don't benefit from a $40,000,000 *Joint Training And Safety Institute*, like LADWP.

Did you read the articles I posted? Apparently LADWP/IBEW is answerable to nobody. The big answer would be what happened to the $40,000,000? And why is infrastructure going to sh#t, if you have $40,000,000 you can't account for?
WBraun

climber
Jul 30, 2014 - 09:45pm PT
They have the cash - plenty of it, it's just squandered away on foolishness. And excessively high salaries.

Yes ... this whole country is mismanaged.

This why it's full of stupid Americans .....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
DWP has it's hands full driving around the eastern SIERRAS counting its' water...give em a break...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
TV News followed some LADWP "work" crews around for a few weeks. They found they spent most of their "work" time in strip joints and restaurants, when they should have been doing something more productive.

http://www.dailynews.com/20100430/cbs-2-dwp-workers-at-strip-clubs-while-on-the-job

Not a bad way to collect a six-figure salary, while possessing nothing more than a high school "education".

How come some hack shock-journalist like David Goldstein can keep a good eye on LADWP employees, yet LADWP's own management can't? WTF? Isn't that like Basic Management 101?

More money won't change an ass-hole mindset. I don't know why anyone would claim the problem is a lack of money.

We're supposed to be right on top of our leaking toilets, yet LADWP management can't even monitor their own employees.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 08:11am PT
We're supposed to be right on top of our leaking toilets, yet LADWP management can't even monitor their own employees.

again, unless you've mislead us about your water district status, nothing with the dwp affects you.

dwp has its own water. neither you nor your neighbors have anything to do with it-- conservation or waster or anything else in LA don't affect your water.

dwp is not a state agency. dwp is not on the swp.

la voters pay for dwp-- if they want management changed, they can vote to change it. that's the benefit of a publicly-owned utility as opposed to a private one, such as pg&e. but dwp doesn't have anything to do with you, or so you've told us.

dwp also has nothing to do with cvp, and swp.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 31, 2014 - 11:21am PT
Interesting. I just assumed the DWP would fall under the CPUC.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
no, DWP is public-- it's a municipal agency. the CPUC regulates privately owned utilities, like PG&E. You can see what a good job they've done of that simply by following the trail of federal indictment.

now DWP can buy and sell water or electricity in various other markets, and that can involves it with SWP deliveries in one way or another.

the same was supposed to be true for SF and Hetch Hetchy, but isn't, because SF voters declined to pass the bonds that would've financed a fully-public utility Instead, they ended up with PG&E, which has operated as something close to a criminal conspiracy, partly by basically capturing the regulatory agency.

I'm stating that a bit strongly, but that's basically the subtext of yesterday's federeal indictments and a reasonable inference from the serial revelations of PG&E wrongdoing and the brutal series of emails with PUC folks that was released this past week.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
btw, good study from The BIll Lane Center at Stanford that lays out the ongoing groundwater disaster, and does so with graphics that should be legible even to California voters and pols.

There's nothing new here, but it's in close to cartoon form-- maybe that will help, since nothing else seems to make any impression on the state's electorate or its leadership.

http://waterinthewest.stanford.edu/groundwater/metrics/index.html

crankster

Trad climber
Jul 31, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
Yes ... this whole country is mismanaged.

This why it's full of stupid Americans .....

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 1, 2014 - 07:56am PT
Good article, klk!

Someone mentioned the possibility of farmers taking their allotments from the aqueducts and simply selling it at great profits. This mentions how that is happening another way:

Heavy pumping is bringing water users into conflict with one another more frequently – pumping by large users is causing neighboring farms and rural residential wells to run dry. Without data and appropriate interpretation, well owners don’t know how their aquifer is doing and can’t anticipate changes. And some want to pump large amounts of groundwater – not for their own use– but to sell it somewhere else, upsetting their neighbors whose water levels in their wells continue to decline.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 3, 2014 - 01:11pm PT
. Near Twain Harte...National weather service issue of possible dam failure..flash flood warnings.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201819793690652&set=gm.737719942958739&type=1&theater

Cracks Reported In Twain Harte Dam With Water Flowing Through....Operators Concerned About Dam Failure

Posted by: thepinetree on 08/03/2014 11:37 AM
Sonora, CA...At 10:45am the operator of the Twain Harte Dam reported cracks being observed in the Dam with water flowing through the cracks. Loud booms are being heard near the reservoir...which could signal a potential failure of the dam. The complete warning is enclosed.... (Update as of 11:42am...We just checked in with TCU Command to see if they had been mobilized for potential evacuations etc. At this time it appears to be just a Flash Flood Warning. More to follow....


mtnyoung, have you heard anything about this?

Edit, Thanks, klk...
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