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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 24, 2015 - 06:28am PT
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HELLLLLOOOOOOOOO ETERNITY!!!
Still waiting for my echo. This may be bigger than I thought.
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WBraun
climber
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May 24, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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Says the wanna be poseur gods ^^^^ ......
Science confirms the existence of the spiritual soul separate from the material body
operating within the body just as the driver of an automobile is not the automobile.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 24, 2015 - 08:21am PT
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There's at least two kinds of science.
There's WBraun's Thoughts = Science
And then there's the scientific method used by scientists.
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WBraun
climber
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May 24, 2015 - 08:39am PT
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No
Only the scientific method is applicable and is what is used.
Don't try to make sh!t like you always do Marlow ....
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 24, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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Within your scientific framework as I described above, your words are true, WBraun...
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 24, 2015 - 10:06am PT
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I am still mulling over my idea that the mind is our subconscious brain and consciousness is just a display of its doings.
Here is another idea:
You are in a large museum full of all your experiences. It is completely dark except for a flashlight beam. Wherever the beam shines, those are your conscious thoughts. You can't see what is holding or directing the flashlight because all of that is in the dark.
Maybe you can find a mirror, though?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 24, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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Science confirms the existence of the spiritual soul separate from the material body
Statements like this are what makes this thread so entertaining.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 24, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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Interesting article in the NYTimes Sunday Review by Paul Piff on how the experience of awe is a function of evolutionary need promoting social empathy and therefore reproductive success...
An example of pure scientism at its worse.
Also in the Times Book Review, a very generous review of Harold Blooms new book "The Daemon Knows" a celebration of the experience of the sublime (awe). Such a nice juxtaposition in these two articles... very super topo.
I love the last two lines of Cynthia Ozick's review:
"Well never mind - at least while Bloom's enrapturing book is in your hand. The daemon knows, and Bloom knows too, that in Eden, birthplace of the moral edict and the sober deed, there never was a poet."
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 24, 2015 - 03:39pm PT
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Our soul is energy, the self
I like to think of the soul as our "I" personalities. As such, the soul does not outlive the bodily host. If the soul is energy then it must resemble ectoplasm - one of my favorite words of late.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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May 24, 2015 - 03:45pm PT
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It all rolls into one,
And nothing comes for free.
There's nothing you can hold
For very long.
And when you hear that song
Come crying like the wind,
It seems like all this life
was just a dream....
-Robert Hunter
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WBraun
climber
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May 24, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
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As such, the soul does not outlive the bodily host.
Yes it does.
Do you die every time you need a get a new coat?
You material scientists need to open up your selves.
You're way too ridged and dogmatic to see anything beyond your limitations.
Start B.A.S.E jumping into life instead of nihilism ......
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WBraun
climber
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May 24, 2015 - 04:44pm PT
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no one knows....not yet
Typical speaking on behalf of the whole cosmic manifestation.
Such ignorance saying "no one knows....not yet"
Modern scientist are such self righteous hypocrites.
No one can know anything without OUR (modern scientists) authority saying so.
Thus they have taken the role of Popes preaching dogmatic scientism drooling at their defective man made limited instruments ....
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WBraun
climber
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May 24, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
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Yep ...
Modern material science is based on faith with no evidence or proof.
Thus modern material scientists are faith based Popes preaching inconclusive truths.
Modern materialistic science has no ultimate clue that only create suprema zombies .....
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 24, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
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Modern material science is based on faith with no evidence or proof
How wrong can a duck be?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2015 - 07:04pm PT
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WOW!
A non material substance...
But, but, it interacts with the "material substance", no?
Still, it is not material...
So confused.
Moose, here have you been? We've already gone over phenomenon that have no physical extent, no mass, and no dimensionality. You can hardly call these phenomenon "substances," but the fact is that all stuff reduces to nothing when reductionism is pushed to rock bottom.
The idea frightens people, yearning to hang onto some fundamental stuff at the bottom or reality but all that's there is no-thing, interacting with material, certainly, but not material itself.
The same is true on the experiential "I" level.
JL
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 24, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
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the fact is that all stuff reduces to nothing when reductionism is pushed to rock bottom.
If it is a fact, where is the evidence? Please show your work.
I believe that reductionism is about finding a simpler description of a system. It is not a process that necessarily has a rock bottom, but if it did, there would still be rock. Right?
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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May 24, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
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There's nothing frightening about any of it. Interesting little conceit you have going about that, though.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 24, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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Modern material science is based on faith with no evidence or proof
What about Quantum Physics Theory? It's all theory right? Yet modern science does not discredit it
Plenty of evidence, if not the definitive proofs we have in mathematics. It's all unfinished business and doesn't claim to be ultimate answers. Where is the evidence for soul=energy?
I'm going to be sorry I asked . . .
;>(
The idea frightens people, yearning to hang onto some fundamental stuff at the bottom or reality but all that's there is no-thing, interacting with material, certainly, but not material itself
There you go again, frightening us! I'll have to sleep with the lights on again tonight.
Talk more about how no-thing interacts with material. This could further metaphysical research.
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allapah
climber
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May 25, 2015 - 02:01am PT
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is this the Friday Night While Posting Stoned All The Time Man thread? well, no, never mind, i am used to surfacing by mistake here, like a Baby Beluga in the wrong space/time hole of Super Taco, here in this thread instead, full speed ahead...
so, i have followed this thread, every word, man, every step ahead of the way... i always thought it would prove the holy grail, the existence of the WOO man, isn't what this thread is all about, the WOO, are we not here to prove its exisentece, isn't it the elephant in this cyber room?
but, either Largo throws you out out on the discontinuity between perception and reality,
Or,
the empirical scientists (with all due respect) throw you out on: 1. lack of predictabilityy 2. lack of adherence to empirical method
but everybody knows all the time that Mind is surrounding, mind is immanent, mind is in the relationships of the material, mind is the CREATURA to matter's PLEROMA...
why not admit it and find our way around this chockstone, with some sort of teleological argument, isn't that why we keep surfacing here? the WOO?
climbers with their handling of the slow-motion death attractor could contribute data that proved the warpage of causation due to MIND
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allapah
climber
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May 25, 2015 - 02:06am PT
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muons and gluons piling up, a stochastic system, a random combined with an eventual order, the simple order of these sub-atomic minutea piling up in the order they pile up-- neurons slightly sensitive to the order in which these particle/waves pile up, kind of like a log jam-- brain a random generator of predictions based on past patterns, but these predictions slightly resonating or not resonating based on the overall patterns created in space and time, due to the synapses in the nervous system resonating with the electromagnetic quantum backdrop of this universe, the climber choosing to go down today because the vibes are not right...
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