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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Nov 21, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Now for the flip side:

8) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who had their existing health insurance policy cancelled as a result of Obamacare, and who are now looking at options that are more expensive and have higher deductibles? (My own hand goes up.)

9) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who works for a business whose health insurance coverage is either going to be eliminated or become more expensive as a result of Obamacare?

Show of hands, everyone?

I'll play, back on the left:

10) How many of you know someone who was murdered because they had to wait to get a background check to buy the gun that might have saved their life?

11) How many of you know someone who was murdered, injured or threatened by a person with a gun?

12) How many of you know someone who lost their job due to the recession caused by Bush-era policies?

13) How many of you know someone whose taxes are paying the interest on the debt incurred during, and as a result of Bush-era policies?

14) How many of you know someone who is completely satisfied with their current health insurance?

15) How many of you know someone stuck in a job they hate because buying private insurance was too expensive to try start a small business?

16) How many of you have visited an ER, paid $1500 for an x-ray and script for Ibuprofen, to subsidize the next guy who couldn't afford to go to a doctor?

17) How many of you know someone who was killed or injured in Iraq fighting a war based on lies?

18) How many of you know someone who was killed or injured in Afghanistan fighting a war that could have been over in a fraction of the time if the military hadn't been stuck in Iraq?

Ooops, wrong thread, maybe.

TE



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 22, 2013 - 12:17am PT
I like that we're being officially encouraged to under-report our income now by these "navigators". I'll be sure to take advantage of that.

Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:33am PT
jghedge wrote: Which happened today, with the filibuster repeal.

Maybe the repeal is a good thing, I'm not sure. For partisan hacks though, they do know for sure. Well, depending on who is in power:

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): "As majority leader, I intend to run the Senate with respect for the rules and for the minority rights the rules protect. The Senate was not established to be efficient. Sometimes the rules get in the way of efficiency. The Senate was established to make sure that minorities are protected. Majorities can always protect themselves, but minorities cannot. That is what the Senate is all about. For more than 200 years, the rules of the Senate have protected the American people, and rightfully so. The need to muster 60 votes in order to terminate Senate debate naturally frustrates the majority and oftentimes the minority. I am sure it will frustrate me when I assume the office of majority leader in a few weeks. But I recognize this requirement is a tool that serves the long-term interest of the Senate and the American people and our country."


-Senator Harry Reid, Congressional Record, S.11591, 12/8/06)


Just one more lie, ho hum.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:48am PT
Concerning ACA:
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/11/20/nyt-obamacare-debacle-could-kill-big-blue/

The seven million people officials initially estimated would sign up for the Obamacare insurance exchanges this year are putting their well-being and that of their families in the hands of government bureaucracies armed with demonstrably inadequate technological expertise.
Thomas Edsall, NY Times
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 22, 2013 - 11:46am PT
I don't get it. You live in a house like this at the foot of Copper Mt,
you ski all the live-long weekdays (certainly not weekends!), and you qualify
for Obamacare? WTF?

Oh, yeah, there's a 2010 V50 T5 Volvo and a bit older Saab Aero in the garage.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 12:48pm PT

All of these healthcare nuances remind me that my position is similar to what is expressed in this old and familiar quote about whiskey:

In 1952, Armon M. Sweat, Jr., a member of the Texas House of Representatives, was asked about his position on whiskey. What follows is his exact answer (taken from the Political Archives of Texas):

"If you mean whiskey, the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean that evil drink that topples Christian men and women from the pinnacles of righteous and gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, shame, despair, helplessness, and hopelessness, then, my friend, I am opposed to it with every fiber of my being.

However, if by whiskey you mean the lubricant of conversation, the philosophic juice, the elixir of life, the liquid that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer, the stimulating sip that puts a little spring in the step of an elderly gentleman on a frosty morning; if you mean that drink that enables man to magnify his joy, and to forget life's great tragedies and heartbreaks and sorrow; if you mean that drink the sale of which pours into Texas treasuries untold millions of dollars each year, that provides tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitifully aged and infirm, to build the finest highways, hospitals, universities, and community colleges in this nation, then my friend, I am absolutely, unequivocally in favor of it.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 22, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
Won't be long till the bodies start piling up.

http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/Gainesville-family-fights-for-childrens-lives-after-insurance-cancelled-232923131.html
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Cragman... you forgot to point out the fact that we will still be in AFGANASTAN well past the PRES's lie about US being gone at the end of 14....

Pretty soon more and more DEMs are going to jump ship.... and claim that "it wasn't my fault...."

To bad some of the most responsible, hard working folks, who paid for healthcare out of their own pockets, are the ones getting shafted first...

Next it will be people like me who get IT at work....

that is when the poo will hit the blades.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
According to that tragic news story, it seems it was the incompetence of the insurance agency, in losing their client's paperwork, which resulted in the cancellation. And that their system doesn't have an adequate response when such an internal error occurs.

Or are you suggesting that President Obama hired gnomes to go mess up the insurance company's internal files....?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
Obamamama threw out a plan he never read. My health care plan cost has gone out the roof. I can't get my asthma meds because the PCP can't determine if they are covered. This has turned health care into a bureaucratic nightmare. I think it is by design. Now we have a whole new bureaucracy funded by taxpayers that makes the public more dependent on a government that kicks the can down the road.

They fricked it all up and tell us to eat cake, BECAUSE THEY ARE EXCLUDED AND HAVE THEIR OWN PLAN! Which we pay for.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Nice to see that our resident Obama-haters have found a cozy place to gather for fellowship on Friday night...


















































































johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
How so many did not see this coming is beyond me.....but sheep will be sheep.

Did we ever have any input (really, I don't know; was this put to the public)? This BS was passed by congress. We were sold a bill of goods that has no truth in reality. Obama and the dems shoved this down our throats.

edit: I could give a rats ass about Obama. I don't know him and have no reason to hate him. This plan sucks. He pushed it and needs to own up to the reality of this plan.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
I dunno, I'm not into sheep.

But hey, if you are, knock yourself out. Just please be gentle, they're sweet creatures.

dirtbag

climber
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Good work. ^^^^^
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Covered California has signed up 80,000 uninsured and forced 1.1 million out of their plans. That means there are 1,020,000 MORE uninsured people in California now than before this whole thing started.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
hedge, you have no clue. The Obama plan has many ramifications. Sounds sweet as it was sold. The product as delivered sucks.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Kos....We have a guy getting government health care from the navy criticising The ACA , a health care plan created by the government...Sometimes it's hard to figure where some of these people are coming from..?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
Not much Chiefy.. I haven't been sick....Knock on wood...I try to avoid the medical system as much as i can..I have a cadillac insurance policy and don't like the fact that the docs want to cut a fat hog when they find this out...I belong to a union and find the benefits nice...if you can't beat em...Join em...Chief it means a lot to me if you were injured and were not compensated..I think the whole military complex is a sham because of the way our pussy politicians exploit America's young men and leave them spinning in the wind...
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