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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 27, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Although I could never prove it, I feel certain that many people posting to this thread would change their position 180 degrees if there was a Republican administration in the White House.

I highly doubt that. [edited: though I'd agree if you just said a white man in the white house. ]

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 27, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
I think it's certainly true. Republicans who are now bashing the Obama administration over this NSA data collection wouldn't be saying a damn thing about it if Romney was our president--except for fully supporting it, of course.

Curt
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
I think it's certainly true. Republicans who are now bashing the Obama administration over this NSA data collection wouldn't be saying a damn thing about it if Romney was our president--except for fully supporting it, of course.

Sad to say, I think you're right, Curt. Still, it's nice to be on your side of an issue for once.

John
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
i give heat where it is due, irrespective of who is in da house.

more heat is due to obama though for the fals hope and false freedoms that he campainged upon. throw on his supporters (joe) inability to deal with responsibility of the prez office and you have zero credibility.

trying to get hedge or healy to learn something new is like trying to stick an 8 track into a cd slot.....their minds are too narros to comprehend.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 27, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
throw on his supporters (joe) inability to deal with responsibility of the prez office and you have zero credibility.

Maybe if you had a remote clue as to what the responsibilities and powers of the three branches of government were you'd actually be able to make a case, but as it is...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 27, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
"The Obama administration for more than two years permitted the National Security Agency to continue collecting vast amounts of records detailing the email and internet usage of Americans, according to secret documents obtained by the Guardian.

The documents indicate that under the program, launched in 2001, a federal judge sitting on the secret surveillance panel called the Fisa court would approve a bulk collection order for internet metadata "every 90 days". A senior administration official confirmed the program, stating that it ended in 2011.

The collection of these records began under the Bush administration's wide-ranging warrantless surveillance program, collectively known by the NSA codename Stellar Wind.

According to a top-secret draft report by the NSA's inspector general – published for the first time today by the Guardian – the agency began "collection of bulk internet metadata" involving "communications with at least one communicant outside the United States or for which no communicant was known to be a citizen of the United States".

Eventually, the NSA gained authority to "analyze communications metadata associated with United States persons and persons believed to be in the United States", according to a 2007 Justice Department memo, which is marked secret."

The whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jun 27, 2013 - 05:39pm PT

This is President Obama's spy program. It WAS President Bush's.

exactly.

arguing otherwise is pathetic. it's like blaming supertopo when you get off route.
WBraun

climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Stupid Americans follow the right hand photo.

WBraun

climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
Yeah

Obama can't do sh!t about NSA.

The snowden fiasco is the CIA is using snowden to get back at NSA.

It's a secret internal war between the two intelligent agencies.

No one knows this sh!t except .......
crøtch

climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor in her concurring opinion on US vs. Jones, 2012.

More fundamentally, it may be necessary to reconsider the premise that an
individual has no reasonable expectation of privacy in information
voluntarily disclosed to third parties. This approach is ill suited to the
digital age, in which people reveal a great deal of information about
themselves to third parties in the course of carrying out mundane tasks.
People disclose the phone numbers that they dial or text to their cellular
providers; the URLs that they visit and the e-mail addresses with which
they correspond to their Internet service providers; and the books,
groceries, and medications they purchase to online retailers. Perhaps, as
JUSTICE ALITO notes, some people may find the “tradeoff” of privacy
for convenience “worthwhile,” or come to accept this “diminution of
privacy” as “inevitable,” and perhaps not. I for one doubt that people
would accept without complaint the warrantless disclosure to the
Government of a list of every Web site they had visited in the last week, or
month, or year. But whatever the societal expectations, they can attain
constitutionally protected status only if our Fourth Amendment
jurisprudence ceases to treat secrecy as a prerequisite for privacy. I would
not assume that all information voluntarily disclosed to some member of
the public for a limited purpose is, for that reason alone, disentitled to
Fourth Amendment protection.
crøtch

climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
I don't think that we have heard the last word on the privacy of email contents stored on the cloud.

An interesting bill submitted by Rand Paul just prior to Snowden's leaks
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1037/text

and a modern review of privacy and the courts
http://www.nyls.edu/user_files/1/3/4/30/59/65/68/Cap12Collins.pdf

Both are worthy of your time.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 27, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Excellent Sotomayor quote, thx.


How about this:

Global Backlash After Leaks Reveal Hypocrisy of US Spying

Three weeks since news broke that the National Security Administration is conducting a massive international surveillance operation, the US corporate media is still largely consumed by the witch-hunt for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and smear campaigns against Snowden and Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, to whom Snowden revealed the leaked documents.

However, the international community has reacted to the disclosures with alarm. Revelations that the NSA has been tapping the phone and internet communications of foreign individuals and governments has spurred world leaders to denounce the global superpower as a 'hypocrite' and, in a number of instances, offer asylum or assistance to Snowden.

...

This important and information-filled article also includes a nice list of the leaked documents published so far. Take a look:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/27-7
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 27, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
^^^ Maybe, but I fully support his bill.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Stossel hates these things more than NSA surveillance. I'm more worked up over surreptitious surveillance by an overreaching overbearing government than most of those.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
There is no free lunch per Milton Freidman. 10 sec in. but the entire 1 min rant is apropo for the subject de jour. Limited government is important.

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Rsin said:
"and stossel is nearly the biggest piece of evil sh#t that wall street has ever let suck its dick"
Is Friedman the 2nd biggest piece of crap that ever let wall street lick his....whatever? Or is that just anyone who disagrees with you or is that just your fall back position when you don't have the intellectual capacity to argue against a well reasoned and informed argument?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
Never mind. I know the answer.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Unhinged idealizes a fascist police state with a disarmed and subservient populace.


TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 27, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
Snowdon is the highest mountain in Wales, at an altitude of 1,085 metres (3,560 ft) above sea level, and the highest point in the British Isles outside Scotland
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 28, 2013 - 12:05am PT
...the urgent need to protect our major population centers from terrorist attack...

Some of what Snowden is leaking has nothing to do with "protect".

A leaked executive order from President Obama shows the administration asked intelligence agencies to draw up a list of potential offensive cyberattack targets around the world. The order, which suggests targeting “systems, processes and infrastructure” states that such offensive hacking operations “can offer unique and unconventional capabilities to advance U.S. national objectives around the world with little or no warning to the adversary or target and with potential effects ranging from subtle to severely damaging.” [...]

Great article k-man! - http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/27-7
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jun 28, 2013 - 01:07am PT
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