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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
You're right, I've never met Jesus. Haven't looked him in the eye. Haven't shaken his hand. Haven't heard him speak to me. Haven't even read anything he's written.
Does that mean I'm talking sh*te?
Seriously
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 18, 2012 - 04:29pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdian_Crusade


The siege of Mahdia

It has been estimated that the total force numbered about 5,000 knights and soldiers plus 1,000 sailors.[2] Two priests representing both popes blessed the departing. An armada of about 60 ships left Genoa on July 1, 1390 and landed at the end of July near the town of Mahdi where the soldiers disembarked unchallenged. The crusaders put up their camp and invested the fortified city for the next two months. They had failed to bring sufficient siege engines to breach the walls. A relief army reportedly 40,000 men strong was brought up by Hafsid Sultan Abu al-Abbas Ahmad II supported by the kings of Bugia and Tlemesan, camped nearby, avoided pitched battle, but started to harass the crusaders. The crusaders had to build a wall around their camp and fortify it. The Berbers send out a negotiating party asking why the French would attack them, they had only troubled the Genoese, a natural affair among neighbors. In answer the they were told that they were unbelievers who had "crucified and put to death the son of God called Jesus Christ." The Berbers laughed saying it was the Jews not they who had done that.[2] Negotiations broke off.

In a subsequent encounter with the large relief army the crusaders killed many but eventually had to retreat exhausted and tired. The duration of the siege not only frustrated them, but their logistical systems started to weaken. When a final assault on the city was repelled they were ready to settle for a treaty. On the opposing side the Berbers realized that they could not overcome the heavier armed invaders. Both sides looked for a way to end the hostilities.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 18, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
Reilly, Really?
This country was founded by a church. The church of Christ. Don't u think if atheist started it they would have put a double tax on religion? Your freedom to choose, life , liberty, and the pursuit of happiness comes from the New Testament. The Constitution was written with one hand while holding the 10 commandments in the other. They are carved into the White House!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 18, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
Constitution eh....then you must know about "seperation of church and state." One hand on the bible eh.... Jefferson and Franklin were irreligious or, quite probably, atheists.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 18, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
Blue, a few of the first colonists came here to escape religious persecution
but they certainly did not "found" the country. The vast majority of the
early colonists came for personal aggrandizement or, in effect, to wipe
out the real owners of this 'country'.

As for churchs' tax status that is quite simply a matter of the tax code,
not the Constitution.
Psilocyborg

climber
Sep 18, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
I am not an Atheist. And a loving God isn't negative, YOU are. You MissJ. Look at you judging me (and atheists in this thread) and twisting my words as to deceive...sound familiar?

Your church has fooled you MissJ, you are being led astray. Again, I will pray for you. If you were getting your strength from God, you wouldn't be attacking and/or judging anyone.

God isn't such a narcissist that he requires anyone to believe in him.

Sorry! one last reply to:



Psilocyborg, climber-Sep 17, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
Jody, MissJ ....you are obviously fooled by the devil. Look at you wallowing in negativity. I will pray for you.

Psilocyborg, since when is loving God negative? And just who does an atheist pray to?

Didyour life has not turn out they way you wanted or at some point you prayed BITD and God did not give you what you prayed for, or someone died that you loved so much and you hated God because of it? Things happen for a reason. IF your life is not what you want then it's up to you to make it better by believing in yourself and asking God to help you the way. He, sometimes when we pray , says NO not at this time. And when we pray for someone to live when they are so ill, it's our breaking hearts that are being selfish but God knows to take them so they will no longer suffer.
We remain and eventually heal from our broken hearts.

Now back to my life as God gives me strength to get though a grieving process.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
MissJ
Now back to my life as God gives me strength to get though a grieving process.
I missed this poignant line first time around.
Please do pray to your God and may he bring you some comfort, healing and hope. Sincerely.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Sep 18, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
I like the atheist life by default. Anything else would involve "jumping off the cliff" with respect to the rationality and reason (and lust) that guides the rest of my life. The world as it is is enough for me. Belief in sacred texts and their religions is too arbitrary and location-specific.
WBraun

climber
Sep 18, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
People here are way scared to get out of their comfort zone.

Everyone plays it safe too much.

Free solo .......
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 18, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
who taxed whom?

from:

http://www.history.org/almanack/life/religion/religionva.cfm


Religion in Early Virginia

 Law mandated Virginians worship in the Anglican Church
 Church supported by tax dollars
 Line between religious and civil authority blurred
 Struggle for religious freedom paralleled struggle for political independence
 Virginians not tolerant of non-Christian religions
 White women were primary guardians of family religious life


from:
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel05.html

V. Religion and the State Governments

Many states were as explicit about the need for a thriving religion as Congress was in its thanksgiving and fast day proclamations. The Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declared, for example, that "the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend on piety, religion and morality." The states were in a stronger position to act upon this conviction because they were considered to possess "general" powers as opposed to the limited, specifically enumerated powers of Congress.

Congregationalists and Anglicans who, before 1776, had received public financial support, called their state benefactors "nursing fathers" (Isaiah 49:23). After independence they urged the state governments, as "nursing fathers," to continue succoring them. Knowing that in the egalitarian, post-independence era, the public would no longer permit single denominations to monopolize state support, legislators devised "general assessment schemes." Religious taxes were laid on all citizens, each of whom was given the option of designating his share to the church of his choice. Such laws took effect in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire and were passed but not implemented in Maryland and Georgia.

After a general assessment scheme was defeated in Virginia, an incongruous coalition of Baptists and theological liberals united to sunder state from church. However, the outcome in Virginia of the state-church debate did not, it should be remembered, represent the views of the majority of American states that wrestled with this issue in the 1780s.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Sep 19, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Experiencing the here and now on a continuous basis, an objective reality.

Dr. F., you're just about there. You can drop the modifier, "objective." There's no need for it. If reality is anything, it is everything, don't you think?

Indeed, you can drop every modifier you can conceive of. There is no need, and it only confuses the mind.

Every perspective on this thread means to take the high ground. Everyone is struggling for principled action to reject the bad and to cultivate the good. That constitutes a moral duality. Folks cling to the illusion of their personal version of the world (their views and opinions); they make distinctions between right and wrong that are emotionally motivated; and they act out of fear, hatred, desire, attachment, pride, and prejudice.

Evil doesn't obscure reality but the regular functions of a dualized intellect do.

All dogma, attachment, and striving enshroud perfection. Golden chains and hemp rope are equally binding.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Sep 19, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
Oh, no, he's back.

Somebody give him a push back down that sh!thole of nihilism and fatalism he comes from.

.....

Apparently the responses to Sam Harris' latest post to his blog...

On the Freedom to Offend an Imaginary God

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-freedom-to-offend-an-imaginary-god

crashed his site.

Allah must have intervened...

.....

the truth is that the White House struck the same note of apology, disavowing the offending speech while claiming to protect free speech in principle. It may seem a small detail, given the heat of the moment—but so is a quivering lip.

As predictable as Muslim bullying has become, the moral confusion of secular liberals appears to be part of the same clockwork.

Truth is, this Muslim "outrage and bullying" over pics and such needs sorting out now before the Islamic world goes nuclear - which it will.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Sep 19, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
Every science and high civilization-respecting atheist should know who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is.

Here's her take on the recent Muslim "outrage."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/09/16/ayaan-hirsi-ali-on-the-islamists-final-stand.html

"How should American leaders respond?... If the U.S. follows the example of Europe over the last two decades, it will bend over backward to avoid further offense. And that would be a grave mistake—for the West no less than for those Muslims struggling to build a brighter future."

The Muslim men and women (and yes, there are plenty of women) who support—whether actively or passively—the idea that blasphemers deserve to suffer punishment are not a fringe group. On the contrary, they represent the mainstream of contemporary Islam.

such intolerance has ... become the defining characteristic of Islam.

And the defining characteristic of the Western response? ...it is the utterly incoherent tendency to simultaneously defend free speech — and to condemn its results.
.....

It's awful!

How these waves of Muslim hysteria and violence make strange bedfellows. I and Bill O'Reilly (or Sam Harris and Bill O'Reilly) in unanimity regarding them. When otherwise we're partisan opposities. ;)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 19, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
DONINI
I'm not arguing just trying to learn. These are verifiable letters that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson wrote:
Ben wrote this letter to the Constitutional convention in Philadelphia June 28, 1787.

I have lived sir a long time and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground unseen by Him is it probable an Empire could arise without his aid? I firmly believe this and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.
The sparrow story and Babel are both from the bible.

Thomas Jefferson wrote this letter to Charles Thompson in 1816:

Concerning the Bible he writes, "a more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen it is a document in proof that I am a "real Christian".That is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. "

Jefferson also wrote the bill establishing religious freedom and acted in 1786

Atheist I think not.
I can't wait to meet these men in Heaven!
Hope to see U there?

Jus Share'in
BB
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 19, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
Santa is coming soon, Blue

getting all excited?

and the Easter Bunny!

sweet and safe dreams, little Prince
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Sep 19, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Sam Harris on free solo rockclimbing...
As I have pointed out on many occasions, “religion” is a term like “sports”: Some sports are peaceful but spectacularly dangerous (“free solo” rock climbing, street luge); some are safer but synonymous with violence (boxing, mixed martial arts); and some entail little more exertion or risk of serious injury than standing in the shower (bowling, badminton).

Looks like he might've watched the 60 Minutes AH piece, lol.

To speak of “sports” as a generic activity makes it impossible to discuss what athletes actually do, or the physical attributes required to do it. What do all sports have in common, apart from breathing? Not much. The term “religion” is scarcely more useful.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-freedom-to-offend-an-imaginary-god

the problems of language, eh?

.....

btw, here's one for that Elk Creek defendant...

"Mormonism is the product of the plagiarisms and confabulations of an obvious con man, Joseph Smith, whose adventures among the credulous were consummated (in every sense) in the full, unsentimental glare of history. "

Tell me SH isn't speaking the truth here.

The point, however, is that I can say all these things about Mormonism, and disparage Joseph Smith to my heart’s content, without fearing that I will be murdered for it. Secular liberals ignore this distinction at every opportunity and to everyone’s peril.

Secular liberals, you know who you are, read this SH piece, get with the program.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 19, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
Corn
Those sites are only filled with more OPINIONS who cares!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 19, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
Concerning the Bible he writes, "a more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen it is a document in proof that I am a "real Christian".That is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. "

you might want to look at what he was referring to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_bible


He described it in a letter to John Adams dated 13 October 1813:

"In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines.[5]"

you can read it here: http://americanhistory.si.edu/jeffersonbible/
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 20, 2012 - 12:09am PT
10-4 ED
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Sep 23, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
Not only do I like climbing and partying with atheists, I like philosophizing with them, too.

For example, if I said something like,
With the end of traditional theism, the purpose and future of religion are uncertain.

I'd be sure to get interesting thought-provoking responses. What a breath of fresh air in the wake of doctrines regarding the "blood of Christ" and such.

I like youtube, too. How empowering! Here it gives us Dr. Lawrence Krauss - yes an atheist - right here at supertopo - just released today:
[Click to View YouTube Video]

I wonder if he's ever rock climbed? :)

21st Century Gospel (Good News): Times are changing. Enlightenment is superceding superstitions in every corner.

A Better Life: 100 Atheists Speak Out on Joy and Meaning in a World Without God.

http://www.theatheistbook.com

Note Alex Honnold, Rock Climber, in there.

Where are you Alex? Post up!

I need your support around here. At least once an equinox, eh?
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