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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Apr 14, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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So you think it's Ok to use the I was beat everyday card.
I spent the first 12 years of my life being beat & with a bloody nose every day. I learned early how to hide it & suck the blood backwards.
It didn't make me a racist.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Apr 15, 2012 - 01:49am PT
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then, on my 18th birthday, i
was told to get out. uncle sam wasnt paying anymore. 1 suitcase, no car, no
job and homeless. and i was relieved that i was no longer under their
control. that was june 1982. for the next 11 years, i was arrested and
imprisoned a few times for drugs. then i grew up. i realized that i cant
blame my past for my future. i got my life together and now own my own
business. i didnt use my past to become a f**k up and blame everything on
that. i grew up a slave, so when i see people using stuff that happened to
their great great great great grandparents to justify their behavior, it
gets me a little ticked. especially when they have no grounds.
I figured that something had warped your since or morality and that you were carrying a lot of baggage. Looks like I was right.
"on my 18th birthday, i was told to get out. uncle sam wasnt paying anymore. 1 suitcase, no car, no job and homeless. and i was relieved that i was no longer under their
control. that was june 1982. for the next 11 years, i was arrested and
imprisoned a few times for drugs."
First, how nice that you were allowed to still be alive at age 18, unlike Trayvon.
" i didnt use my past to become a f**k up and blame everything on
that. i grew up a slave, so when i see people using stuff that happened to
their great great great great grandparents to justify their behavior"
Did your stepdad club you in the head hard enough to cause brain damage? Because you aren't making any sense. Trayvon didn't survie long enough to have a past. He was just walking back from a convenience store with his skittles and had someone with a gun start following him because the guy didn't like the way he looked. After voicing fear to his girlfriend he starts running for his father's house. Zimmerman thought he was running for an exit from the community to "escape" and wanted to stop him.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Apr 15, 2012 - 01:52am PT
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And manzanita man, please don't ever have kids yourself. Given your past as an abused child together with your current mental state, any children you are around would be at very high risk of being abused by you.
You've internalized the hatred and become a predator.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 15, 2012 - 09:45am PT
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Thanks for sharing your personal story manzanita man. I wish you peace and continued healing (and we all need continued healing whether we know it or not)
I wonder what your fate would have been without a government program to arrange your support? It's too bad you wound up with exploiters rather than compassionate helpers
I know from observing others that frequently the children of Abuse become the abusers. If you've avoided that cycle of pain, I'm happy for you.
Not everyone is so blessed. We can't expect everyone to have our gifts. Chris Sharma could chime in on Super Topo and say "I climbing 5.13+ at 14 years old, I don't know why you guys can't"
Peace
Karl
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Apr 17, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
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manzanita man, She works for~ California State Adoptions for Butte, Lassen, and Tehama county, here in the North state... I can ask her....give me some info, through the supertopo email....
Click on my name below my picture, and the email click is on the right side....
nita...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Apr 17, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
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i have avoided that cycle of pain. besides a bar fight here and there.
Best way to be sure of that is for you is not to have any kids, biological or foster. You have a lot of bottled up hatred, looking for an outlet. I can't say I blame you.
Nita said it better then me: "You may be successful with your life, but your words sometimes come across as something approaching hate...maybe work on that, and you will be a better person...."
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Apr 17, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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you must be related to al sharpton
I don't much care for Sharpton. I think he feeds on race-related incidents like a vampire, using them to increase his own power without adding anyting.
One criticism that conservatives have right is that most violence against blacks is from other blacks. Sharpton could be spending a lot more time addressing that.
However the reason this case is receiving the attention it is getting is because it appears that Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because he was black. Also, it appears that Zimmerman got a lot less scrutiny because he was perceived to be "white" (or at least not black). If it was Zimmerman who was black and Trayvon was white, I suspect the police would have looked into pressing charges much more seriously then they did.
We can't say whether or not Zimmerman is guilty--he is entitled to his day in court. But I think we need to ask why there was no arrest until over a month later when a special prosecutor was appointed? A special prosecutor shouldn't even have been needed.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 20, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
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You don't seem to be waiting Fattrad. I'd fight for my life too if a guy went after me. But I don't carry a gun so I can't take the easy way out.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 20, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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That's the whole point. We'll never know what was the final escalation to physical confrontation was. We only have Zimmerman's word for that. If we step back, we see that Zimmerman was the main cause of the confrontation by continuing the pursuit. It will be hard to get a unanimous jury decision.
Now we hear Zimmerman say today, "I did not know if he was armed". Can't be too careful can you. Use your gun first.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 21, 2012 - 08:18pm PT
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Free George Zimmerman (oops)!
Edit:
Do you think the tall black guy, could handle the thin yellow guy without pulling his piece? Yeah, I know the size differential wasn't as great as was initially reported.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Apr 25, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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Prosecutorial overcharging is dangerous not only because it isn’t fair, but also because it’s akin to vigilantism.
If a prosecutor engages in vigilante activity, the public will, too.
It also opens the prosecutor up to fierce criticism for the next case that has similar facts but involves different “types” of individuals.
For example, what if instead of a security guard looking out for suspicious activity, Zimmerman had been a woman, suspicious of her husband when he didn’t come home after work. What if she found him leaving a barroom with another woman and surreptitiously followed him down the sidewalk. What if he became furious when he saw her spying on him, so he knocked her to the ground and started punching her in the face, slamming her head into the sidewalk. What if she screamed for help, but nobody came, so she pulled out her pistol and shot the guy dead.
Name one prosecutor who would file ANY charges against the woman, much less murder in the second degree.
http://www.enterprisenews.com/opinions/x101302617/WENDY-J-MURPHY-Zimmerman-prosecutors-could-learn-from-John-Adams
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Apr 25, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
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Corniss Chopper, I agree with you.
For example, what if instead of a security guard looking out for suspicious activity, Zimmerman had been a woman, suspicious of her husband when he didn’t come home after work. What if she found him leaving a barroom with another woman and surreptitiously followed him down the sidewalk. What if he became furious when he saw her spying on him, so he knocked her to the ground and started punching her in the face, slamming her head into the sidewalk. What if she screamed for help, but nobody came, so she pulled out her pistol and shot the guy dead.
Name one prosecutor who would file ANY charges against the woman, much less murder in the second degree.
So yes, if Zimmerman was a woman (instead of a wannabe cop who harrassed random people and was particularly afraid of blacks) and if Trayvon was Zimmerman's husband (instead of just a black kid who didn't know Zimmerman and was walking back to his Dad's house with his snacks) and Zimmerman (a woman, remember) was following her "husband" because he was with another man, and Trayvon (remember, "her" husband instead of a black kid who didn't know "her" and was just minding his own business) started punching her in the face and slamming her head into the sidewalk...
Then YES, it is unlikely that charges would be filed.
But Zimmerman wasn't a woman, Trayvon was not "her" husband, and the rest is all made up fantasy as well.
So the only thing this proves is your inability to deal with reality.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Apr 25, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
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graniteclimber - Wow! How much effort are you expending to act so
dumb? (Please say a lot!)
Florida Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's 2nd degree murder affidavit willfully misstates undisputed evidence known to the prosecution and
is not only unethical but borders on perjury because an affidavit swears
to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie.”
ie the picture of Zimmermans bloody head left out of affidavit.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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undisputed evidence
There has been very little brought into evidence as far as I've heard.
That picture may or may not be Zimmerman's head. It may or may not have been taken sometime around the time of the killing.
Following your line, "everything" should have been in the affidavit, thereby obviating the need for having a trial. It would be alot cheaper i spoz. The affidavit could go to Rush Limbaugh for adjudication.
Anyway, "in the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls".
Up against the wall
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
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Even if it was a pic of his head, does not really matter. No stitches needed. Head punctures often bleed more. Shaved head makes it stand out. Lets see the wounds with the blood wiped away. Probably a couple of pin pricks.
The prosecutors don't dispute a physical confrontation. Martin gets to "stand his ground" too. CC and Fatrad keep falling in the same hole.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
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Addendum:
The emergency personal onsite declined to send z-man to the hospital. I have not heard if he requested to be taken.
Edit addendum:
You (chopper) are in some powerful company with respect to saying that she overcharged (Dershowitz, e.g.). Is she a villain? Who knows? There are a number of people who are of the opinion that the Americans in that part of America are "stupid"? Is she stupid? Who knows?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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The only thing that matters is what happened at the very moment the two guys first physically confronted each other. Everything else is bullsh#t.
And as near as I can tell, nobody really knows except the guy that's still alive.
So it comes down to physical evidence which we know nothing about.
But debate away....
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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^^ agree ^^
But, the prosecutor said they don't have any evidence on how the physical confrontation started except for Zimmerman's word.
So the jury has to take an overview look and believability view. Harder to get a unanimous decision on murder 2. Manslaughter more likely.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:33pm PT
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So why do you a**holes think Zimmerman is a bad guy? Because he's white and shot an unarmed kid after following him?
What if you saw someone in your neighborhood and they walked into a driveway. Then on you way back to your door they confronted you and you got your ass beat.
It's okay.
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So why do you a**holes think Martin is a bad guy? Because he's black and jumped a white guy?
What if you were walking home and were being followed by someone. Wouldn't you want to go see why they're following you? You might even get pissed off and lay a hand on the short little guy to prove your a big man. Then get shot to death.
It's not okay.
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