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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 14, 2011 - 02:50pm PT
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So what if every group has experienced growth, when so many are disenfranchised and left out in the cold.
A pox on the heartless who wouldn't extend unemployment benefits. A pox on our politicians who bicker and moan and drive our economy further south. A pox on our media who focus on the failures of frustrated people, rather then on the real social concerns, and a pox on those on this site who play a party to that.
May God's retribution be upon you soon.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 14, 2011 - 03:14pm PT
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As for the tea partiers versus the wall street protesters, I think both sides have legitimate beefs, and that our media has generated much of the hatred by focusing on the negative aspects, and not on the real frustrations. Though I can't for the life of me understand why the tea partiers would accept and cheer someone like Glenn Beck, who I feel is a distraction from the real concerns.
Agree, John. I have two daughters in their middle twenties, the younger of them still in grad school. If I were their age, I wouldn't be a happy camper looking at employment opportunities. As a Baby Boomer, I'm not too pleased looking at retirement prospects either.
My concern is that both the Occupy and the Tea Party movements have a certain scapegoatism (if that's a word) about them that implies that if we just get "them" (admittedly different "thems" for each group) out of the way, we'll all be fine. That may make for good politics, but it's bad public policy and bad economics. Dialog such as you, and many others here, provide is a much better way toward reaching our best result. I appreciate your willingness to engage in it.
John
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2011 - 03:27pm PT
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"The first thing we do, is kill all the lawyers".
William Shakespeare
The Occupy Wall Street and the teabaggers - at least, to the extent that the latter aren't just corporate sock puppets - are both rather nebulous, but both contain significant anti-establishment elements.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 14, 2011 - 03:34pm PT
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I think that there is a strong possibility that the guy in the video above faked being run over.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 14, 2011 - 07:02pm PT
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I think that there is a strong possibility that the guy in the video above faked being run over.
Of course he is. He's also a National Lawyers Guild lawyer. No surprise.
Also, Peter's chart does not surprise me. Notice all the up and downs follow stock market market trends. The more money people have invested in markets, the more they will gain overall.
Notice the flatline of the bottom-most. Not investing their money.
And remember the chart is PRE taxes.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 14, 2011 - 07:10pm PT
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Like Nixon with the anti-war movement sure Fatty and his big brothers already have plans for Muslim Mexican drug Cartel masks to hand out to various paid mercs to wear when they start throwing bricks and start throwing the cocktails. Let’s see old Blackwater excuse me XE and company. In fact they would do it for free.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 14, 2011 - 07:15pm PT
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I'll reiterate;
I wonder if all the Fet's, war's, Tkings, et al. can tell us what they want to see happen in Wall Street or gov't to institute a better way?
What are you solutions?
Are you aware that it's likely that George Soros is funding this?
Are you angry with Fast/Furious and Eric Holder?
Does Google and Warren Buffet's tax deficiencies anger you (hiding money)?
Do the Green Energy Stimulus scams piss you off?
Try to answer all the questions. Even if just a yes/no.
Thanks Fet and Healyje for your thoughtful replies.
I'll also reitereate this;
Also, Peter's (and Wes') chart does not surprise me. Notice all the up and downs follow stock market market trends. The more money people have invested in markets, the more they will gain overall.
Notice the flatline of the bottom-most. Not investing their money.
And remember the chart is PRE taxes.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 14, 2011 - 07:21pm PT
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Yes, if only the poverty stricken would keep their stock brokers on speed dial, all will be well.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 14, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
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Poverty stricken? Like someone else or the 'system' struck them with poverty?
No. They made foolish decisions with no foresight for their future well-being. This is largely a function of parenting too. Instilling into a child a sense of how to shape their future.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 14, 2011 - 10:50pm PT
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Meet the Flea party.
But apparently liberals couldn't even convince themselves that tea partiers were an extremist group unworthy of emulation.
At least they're embarrassed about what the OWS protesters really are: wingless, bloodsucking and parasitic. This is the flea party, not the tea party.
Contrary to all the blather you always hear about how lawless street protests and civil disobedience are part of the American tradition -- "what our troops are fighting for!" -- they are not. We are an orderly people with democratic channels at our disposal to change our government.
The very reason we have a constitutional republic is because of a mob uprising. Soon after the American Revolution, Shays' Rebellion so terrified and angered Americans that they demanded a federal government capable of crushing such mobs.
For nearly 200 years, Americans understood that they lived in a country capable of producing bad politicians and bad policies, but that was subject to change through peaceful, democratic means. There was no need to riot or storm buildings because we didn't have a king. We had a representative government.
Even when injustice existed, there were constitutional mechanisms to right wrongs.
For nearly a century after the Civil War, congressional Republicans kept introducing bills that implemented the civil rights amendments -- only to be blocked by segregationist Democrats. But then, attorney Thurgood Marshall came along and began winning cases before the Supreme Court, redeeming black Americans' constitutional rights through the judiciary.
As long as a Republican sat in the White House, those victories were enforced. In 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock, Ark., to walk black children to school in defiance of the segregationist, Democratic governor of Arkansas, Orval Faubus -- Bill Clinton's friend.
This is what our Constitution was designed for: to use the force of the federal government to uphold the law when the states couldn't (Shays' Rebellion) or wouldn't (segregationist Democrats).
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-10-12.html
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 14, 2011 - 11:01pm PT
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wingless, bloodsucking and parasitic
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 15, 2011 - 12:41am PT
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Warbler
Might make difference: He who is in power [POWER THAT BE]controls or WHO takes control the POWER[Rep]has the guns but the one thing that the left has that the republicans do not have is the unions [truckers] which has control of the food.
Water is another issue. Food or wealth that will determine who wins.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 15, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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The unions distribute the food they do not own it. The people that pick our food is not you that is why we have illegal immigration that we try to hide and seek.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 15, 2011 - 01:22am PT
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Tomorrow I will be marching in Occupy Reno. I will be for the 28th amendment.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 15, 2011 - 01:41am PT
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I don't have the time to read through the entire thread but.....
The one thing that just lept off the page at me was the fact that the Occupy Wall Street, Occupy SF, LA, and others throughout THE WORLD...
Have all happened without any commercials making the big announcement that a big thing is happening....
FACT: The flat-lined tea party would be nothing if it wasn't paid for by a couple of billionaires.
FACT: Already there are way more people in NY than there have been at any tea party rally.
You folks on the right should just sit this one out....
Occupiers are coming to stay in your town soon enough
reitereate?
re (again) iter + irare (repeat)
from re- "again" + iterare "to repeat," from iterum "again."
Blues spell-check is not working, or he's drinking again?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 15, 2011 - 02:12am PT
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So skipt, etc: Assuming that Obama is re-elected in 2012, would you agree that he then would have the confidence of the American people to take the needed actions? That is, the actions that have been thwarted by Republican obstructionists for the last two years and more? To reform health care, the economy and its regulation, and other things? Would you particularly agree that he has that mandate if the Democrats also have a majority in one or both houses of congress?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 15, 2011 - 02:17am PT
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Skip you are on the wrong side of history . like the british , the confederates, the flat earthers, alabama, hitler, shrub, mccarthy and endless others.
Dont worry bud, your psyche has the vast untapped resources required to protect your ego from confronting its severe inadequacies.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 15, 2011 - 02:37am PT
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The bailouts might have been a mistake, but they did not cause the problem.
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Archie Richardson
Trad climber
Grand Junction, CO
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Oct 15, 2011 - 08:40am PT
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In an ideal capitalist system, people would be paid for their work according to the benefit it brings to society. Pay becomes an incentive to perform useful work. In practice this does not happen, but when things become too distorted, society loses direction.
The Fed seemingly has the authority to create money at will. Our present system allocates compensation according to proximity to this source of money creation. On its way to the economy, large streams of this money are diverted in profits and bonuses to individuals who may contribute very little to society.
The banking system is important to our economy, and bankers should be well paid. However, at present it seems the very purpose of the system and all our daily efforts is to keep Wall Street happy and well compensated.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 15, 2011 - 11:21am PT
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So bluering, skip, LEB et al,
Does it concern you that the share of all income for the top 1% and even more so the top 0.1% has risen so much over the last decade, while most people's inflation adjusted income has gone down? Does it concern you if this trend continues?
Does it concern you that more and more middle class families must have both parents working to live the American dream?
Does it concern you that more and more people are falling into poverty?
Don't be lame and answer by attacking the left or Obama, that just shows lack of impartiality and/or fear.
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