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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Nov 17, 2010 - 09:02pm PT
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Shack, klimmer's answer has been that it is rising steeply and slowly.
That allows him to stay in his little tiny cloud for 10 minutes.
You see, if anything is remotely possible in his world, it becomes a done deal.
But the LAX pic shows considerable downrange motion.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 17, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
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klimmer's answer has been that it is rising steeply and slowly.
Well if it took 10 minutes to get to 175,000 feet (about 33 miles), it would only be traveling about 200 mph.
Anyone ever heard of a missile that goes 200 mph other than an Estes?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 17, 2010 - 09:39pm PT
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Yep, Shack, it makes no sense. But you've already shown the technology exists, therefore slam dunk, game over.
BTW, Klimmer, you better change your 240deg from Long Beach to around 254(green line).
Cintune's pic has the islands marked clearly and you can just draw a line from the tip of one island (red line), thru the top of the other to the apostrophe shaped cloud.
Your 240deg line(yellow) lines up more with flight AWE808 and the contrail in the sat pic.
Just trying to save you some embarrassment when you take it to a science forum.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
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The sat image ^^^ above says Nov 9
The mystery happened Nov 8
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 17, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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Fatty and his ilk are behind all of this.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 17, 2010 - 10:45pm PT
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Zulu time and date.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 17, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
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^^Exactly. Pacific Time is 8 hours behind.
So it would be 5:30pm Pacific Time Nov. 8th
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 17, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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Now the Zulus are involved? The plot thickens....
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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What???? WTF ?
You all agree it's a missile?
You're all drunk .... :-)
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 18, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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Strange that NONE of the flights that would have been almost on top of the "launch" location,
repoted seeing ANY rocket/missile launch...not to mention any of the boats in the area.
Hmmmm...they must be in on it too.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:14am PT
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Wrong again Klimmer, that contrail heads exactly west.
and you had empirical evidence that the other cloud matched perfectly..
what happened?
So now this new, totally different contrail now fits your foregone conclusion perfectly too? How?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:45am PT
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Boy you guys are clueless.
But I will hold your hand once again . . .
One and the same.
Now find the original GOES11 images without the massive obscuring blue arrow obviously hiding what we are not supposed to see so easily.
Find them in 15 minute intervals and this series of GOES will show the same exact thing, as the other series. Guarantee it. As long as they haven't been faked or purposefully obscured.
I already said it was going W -WNW. These GOES images are oblique-ish. A true vertical would show the absolute direction, and it would match the direction as seen from Long Beach Harbor perfectly.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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Just realized, by the time stamps on the images above, the contrail took over 30 minutes to develope full size from before 5:30 until 6:00pm..., yet you point to a contrail
on the left of the blue arrow that is time stamped at 5:30.
We shouldn't see that until at least 6:00pm.
Sorry, those two trajectories do not match at all.
also that puts the speed of the "missile" at about 65mph.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:10am PT
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Klimmer, it's pretty easy to determine which feature in the sat pic is the one in the photos by simply plotting the sun's azimuth at sunset on the same sat pic and seeing which feature is north or south of that line...give it a whirl dude.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:15am PT
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Klimmer,
Every crime has a motive. Please answer my question from the previous page.
Without a motive you've solving a victimless crime.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 18, 2010 - 04:03am PT
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Look at all the other missile contrails to the N. and S. of Klimmer's -- all of them are going due W and spaced about millimeter apart!
Or is that just an artifact of the compiling the satellite imagery?
Look, Klimmer! Missiles!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 18, 2010 - 09:40am PT
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These 2 images are one and the same.
And it is a second verification of the time stamp. Zulu 1:30 on Nov, 9th, 2010 = PST 5:30 on Nov. 8th, 2010.
From the previous image PST 5:15 its looks as though it may have been just fired.
In the GOES 11 image we see that it has already fired and gone through course correction through guidance control and is rocketting at tremendous speeds to the W - WNW and covering a lot of ground horizontally and gaining altitude slowly.
You know I can easily now correct my images and distances and I know roughly it did it all in about 15 minutes covering that enormous distance and gaining those altitudes. I'll calculate that. Easy to do.
It was ripping down range and you know that and I know that.
The GOES images from 5:30 PST just show the massive exhaust plume changing over time as it was drifted by the winds.
The thin exhaust contrail to the very top of the seen trajectory gets easily erased rapidly at very high altitudes but we do have images of it.
I can now explain many of the images on "Contrail Debunk Science" website. Can you?
Twas a missile with a very long exhaust/vapor trail going to the W - WNW away from the coast.
The perspective from the helicopter over Long Beach Harbor really foreshortens that perspective, but it is still a very correct perspective. The contrail is seriously leaning steeply to the W - WNW. And it looked like it was moving slow because it was making significant down range horizontal motion but only gaining altitude slowly.
Twas a missile.
Crime? What crime?
Plenty of lies and cover-up going on though. That isn't ethical or right to do. Admit the truth and let the public know what happened. If indeed it was China doing this playing "root'n - toot'n Cowboys", then they should be called on it.
However, if I'm not mistaken we do this juvenile behavior off of their coast too.
I DO NOT KNOW WHO FIRED IT. BUT I DO KNOW THE DOD/PENTAGON KNOWS. WHY NOT BE HONEST WITH THE AMERICAN CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY? WE CAN HANDLE IT.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 10:06am PT
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OMG, Klimmer. Every morning for the last few days I awake to even more stunning crap from you.
Klimmer, you yourself are pointing to the apostrophe cloud next to the blue arrow.
How could the blue arrow be covering up the launch evidence then?
You would think they would have placed the arrow a little more to the right to cover the start of the launch. It's wide enough to cover up the whole launch area and more downrange track.
And if they wanted to hide the 'track' on the left, they would just crop the pic.
Your pic shows no contiguous plume. The Arrow pic covers the gaps.
We know you won't take your work to a science forum, let alone an optical science forum.
It's going to your other well known hangout, DemocraticUnderground, a political forum, isn't it?
You wouldn't show your work for 240 degrees and it turns out that corresponds well with AWE808. Your apostrophe cloud is way off at 254. Sucks for you but you better adjust.
It was ripping down range and you know that and I know that.
Not your missile. There are gaps. If a sat pic can show a 'wispy contrail'(your words) then it's gonna show more for a real missile.
The LAX pic shows considerable more downrange motion, in the opposite direction.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 18, 2010 - 10:41am PT
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Mono,
See the difference is I have room to adjust and can easily.
Won't change the truth of it being a missile.
As better imagery comes in and gets revealed it will only show it better, what I already know and now know exactly where it is now.
You on the other hand have no room to adjust, because you went wrong from the get go and continue to argue that view relentlessly. And you have no evidence to back you up. I on the other hand have all kinds of correlating overlapping evidence that all says the same thing, and confirms the truth.
Twas a missile.
So how is the pay in the disinfo office? Do you get medical and dental coverage?
Just curious.
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