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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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well he didn't answer my question about climbing.
then i asked two questions and he gave me a reading list instead of squeezing his brain cells for a couple minutes to write a reply in his own words. worse than the armchair theologians on here.
now this mother pheasant plucker puts our inane little correspondence up for all to see--a sure way to discourage further correspondence from everyone here.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Doubtful Tony.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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you oughta squeeze your brain a little too, rox. your posts are way too long. if you worked on your writing a little, you might find yourself with more readers. but the first step is making it short
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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geeziz rox, drink more whiskey and less coffee. nobody's been paying me either, and you don't tell me much that i don't know.
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MeatBomb
Gym climber
Boise, I dee Hoe
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Keep spraying "BlowCox", I'm sure a check is in the mail, from Obama directly out of the deadbeat fund.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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It is why I say ST has passed its Golden Days. I chose to believe that in the past our Forum's population would have made more of JTX and his visit here, been more inquisitive and respectful. Certainly not less. It would have been hard to show less decency and decorum to anybody than what JTX got from us here and now. He truly is an expert, from the "Con" side of the debate and he deserved more respect.
There have been few golden days on ST. We sometimes shine and just as often suck. Golden as piss is golden. It was actually worse many years ago before you needed to sign in to post.
When the topic become controversial, people get uncomfortable and their ugly side shows
peace
Karl
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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It is why I say ST has passed its Golden Days. I chose to believe that in the past our Forum's population would have made more of JTX and his visit here, been more inquisitive and respectful. Certainly not less. It would have been hard to show less decency and decorum to anybody than what JTX got from us here and now. He truly is an expert, from the "Con" side of the debate and he deserved more respect.
you really are hung up on this respect thing arent you? one needs only go to the golden age thread to see just how much of an issue this is for you.
respect is earned not given away to blowhards. if you had any self respect yourself, it would not be such an issue for you...
Respect yourself and others will respect you. ~Confucius
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Jul 13, 2010 - 02:48pm PT
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Tony said...now they're trying to revise the building code, according to a posting rrradam put out here, to put concrete around all structure for fire protection... I said/posted this? Where? Citation please.
... you will find this sort of disinformation going on relentlessly in all areas of 9/11 research. come back when you've reviewed it. True that... See above quote of you.
I look forward to the citation you provide showing where I posted anything of the sort.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 13, 2010 - 05:09pm PT
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rrrad, you'll find concrete sheathing referred to about three minutes into the youtube you linked in the belief-in-god thread on june 22 at 5:41 am, shortly before healyje started this thread to remove 9/11 discussion from the holy of holies.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Jul 14, 2010 - 10:29am PT
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As I said, link please...
Sheathing steel in concrete is absurd (for the reasons you outlined), and wouldn't have kept the beams in the WTC from weakening, as it would have come off from the shock.
As I also said... The 'fire proofing' we have on structural steel in our nukes is rated in 'hours of protection', in that it gives us more time to put the fire out before the steal weakens from the heat. It is NOT concrete.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:20am PT
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you didn't say "please" pretty enough, assh*le.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:36am PT
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Fair enough... "Pretty Please".
But if it's the vid I am thinking... It was posted as a direct rebuttle to your (and other truthers) confident statements/beliefs that "no other steel structure/building has ever collapsed from a fire". The vid shows where this has happened more than once (even more recently with the deep water Horizoin, in the Gulf), yet you (and other truthers) keep saying it, even though it is factually false.
Not acknowledging that you were wrong in your statement, and readjusting your beliefs as a result of being shown that you are wrong is what creationists do.
Truthers, like creationists, have a confident belief system built on many factualy false beliefs... And even when shown where wrong, many ignore it, and continue to confidently believe.
As you said, and I quoted:... you will find this sort of disinformation going on relentlessly in all areas of 9/11 research. come back when you've reviewed it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
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it's called 'Backfire'
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
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still not near pretty enough.
when you lift your larded forearm enough to click that big heavy mouse button and watch this four-minute youtube, you'll find a very interesting admission: the WTC buildings were indeed the first steel-structured skyscrapers to fall due to fire.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Jul 14, 2010 - 02:34pm PT
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when you lift your larded forearm enough to click that big heavy mouse button and watch this four-minute youtube, you'll find a very interesting admission: the WTC buildings were indeed the first steel-structured skyscrapers to fall due to fire.
Yea... Of 'all' the skyscrapers hit by jumbo jets full of fuel, only the WTCs fell. Oh, wait...
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
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yea ... oh wait ... building 7 ... no jumbo jet ... no fuel ...
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Jul 14, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
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You are moving the goal post... Your statement was in regards to the skyscrapers (the WTCs), as the video shows plenty of steel structured buildings that have collapsed due to fire alone.
So do you concede my point now regarding the Twin Towers?
I doubt it. I think you are just 'Ignoring' it... 'Denying it'. (wink)
You guys use the phrase 'Building 7' like some do 'Grassy Knoll' and 'Magic Bullet'.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 03:55pm PT
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And ya forget Tony about the leaking diesel fuel in WTC 7. And it was struck by a collapsing skyscraper.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
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fellas, ya havta realize the main argument for controlled demolition. it hinges on two things which are very obvious, which no one can argue with since it's well documented: speed and dust.
speed is the primo. these three buildings each went down at a second or two over freefall speed, the speed at which a bowling ball would fall from the roof. all these silly scenarios have you connecting what your eyes saw with the very weak reasons, reasons which fall apart with even the lightest critical examination, but which you won't let go of because you crave to keep believing everything that's connected to it.
freefall speed means immediate dissolving of all supporting structure. this can only be done with preplanned, preset controlled demolition. anything less than that adds seconds to that freefall time. buildings which have fallen "normally" because of internal weaknesses or fire take lots of time to come down, and it happens haphazardly, not all at once, not floor-by-floor, which is what the videos show. and you will see in some of them the floor-by-floor exploding actually happening faster than the falling debris immediately adjacent on the outside.
dust is the other elephant in the living room here. after the big whoomphs, there is nothing left "except steel and dust", in the words of one of the firemen who had to pick through the rubble. every similar disaster has lots of infrastructure left, lots of people trapped, sometimes more than a few surviving. nothing like that here. you don't even have crunched-up file cabinets or a telephone or two intact.
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