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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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I'd been wondering, Brandon, but figured it the 1/1/12 date had stuck, we'd have heard about it.
Best of luck to you. As you can see, this thread has some really good people in it who care and have good information(and they're not all AA'ers).
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
nevada city, California
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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^^Brandon, i know that fealing man, i was there for a while. finally took seeing my dad get a dui at age 60and nearly kill himself in the accident. i had already stopped the liquor, which was my real problem, but was still drinking beer, and admittedly way more than i ever did before i stopped the liquor. what it really comes down to, in my opinion, is an individuals complete honest and absolute desire to stop. i was fortunate enough to catch myslf at a young enough age that i could do it myself; for some, i think outside help becomes mandatory. best of luck.
edit: funny, I noticed this thread before i finally quit completely and seeing all the people here and it beeing just even more motivation to finally kick the habit. now, 5+ months sober checking back in i feel the need to contribute in the hope that perhaps it might make a slight difference for someone else out there.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
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Brandon--I would say start a new thread if you want and see what traction it gets, if you're someone who enjoys drinking including some binges now and then, also sees some real or at least potential related problems, isn't necessarily committed to becoming a teetotaler, and want to discuss those issues.
Or maybe I misunderstand you and you're committed to 100% teetotaler, which is what I think this thread is about. Good luck either way.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
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Ahmmm, booze is booze is booze. Jennie sometimes says she no longer for years drinks bottles of vodka, but until her recent illness, she'd drink a lot of white wine. I have tried to convince her that alcohol, alcohol, is alcohol. Beer, spirits, wine etc, it is in the units one drinks (and at what rate and time frame).
But yet, sometimes, Jennie thinks it is better to drink wine than spirits. Hey, go past a certain point with either, and it does not matter on a physiologically level.
Now let me finish this last glass and I will preach no longer. (Okay, inappropriate pun. But one must lighten up at times.)
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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The lord's prayer thing grated me too but then I realized it was a stupid thing to get bent out of shape over. I let that $hit go and focused on the positive. Problem solved.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:52pm PT
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It wasn't the lords prayer that rankled me. It was the hand holding in a circle while reciting it. At first is violated my sense of space and reminded me of nursery school.
20 years and how many, many meetings later in various corners of the world and I know now that it's not something to get my Willy in a Wonka over.
Then again, there was the time I was at a meeting in Butte Montana where there was only one other person and he was missing one arm. WTFO.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Feb 27, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
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going to give a half-ass effort at not drinking until April. Odds are not in my favor, but I'm going to pretend that maybe I can do it, and perhaps I will
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 27, 2012 - 11:50pm PT
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How do you go about doing it half-assed? Isn't there some saying from Karate Kid or somewhere, where the sensei tells him "There is no half-ass. Only ass or no ass." Or something like that... :)
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 28, 2012 - 12:00am PT
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You're thinking of what Yoda told Luke in the second Star Wars movie, when he was getting his Jedi training.
Hope this helps!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 28, 2012 - 12:06am PT
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There you have it, MS. Yoda would want you to go full ass forward!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 28, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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"do or not do, there is no try"
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 28, 2012 - 10:10am PT
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Not even try to be funny???
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 28, 2012 - 10:17am PT
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I'm not really comfortable with master Yoda's words in this context.
Rather, have full resolve in whatever you undertake, but don't base your selfworth on mere results, and always have a joke handy!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 28, 2012 - 10:33am PT
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I think the half assed approach can work in a sense.
If you pull it off, then great, you probably didn't have a big problem in the first place. And if you don't pull it off, the failed attempt may be the wakeup call that opens your eyes to your dependency.
I didn't stop because I was an out of control drunk, or stayed drunk all day, or even drank to drunkeness. It wasn't affecting my work, family, or friends. I stopped because I finally realized I was dependent on it for a variety of things.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Creek, Ideeho
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Feb 28, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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On the bus or off the bus.
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Feb 28, 2012 - 10:48am PT
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2 Years, 3 months:-)
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Feb 28, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
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Congrats, Mr. Brown.
There are a thousand reason why a program is not for you. There is just one reason to join a program. Reclaim your life. Draw strength from each other and whatever other sources you find it.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 28, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
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El cap. usually pisses me off pretty good when people tell me that because I quit without a program that I did not have a real problem. My thoughts on that are FU a hole WTF do you know about my fckin problems. just maybe i have enough willpower to pull off amazeing accomplisments sometimes despite the odds being stacked against me. I felt that way about leading the last gent, getting my 4th dan and quitting drinking...
Quitting drinking was one of the hardest things I have ever done..
I know you were not speaking directly to me but a heads up that those kinds of statements judgeing the validity of other folks problems are fckin lame.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 28, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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Tradman, I think you're reading what you want to hear, rather than what I wrote.
Like you, I also did not use any kind of program. I'm not a "joiner" in general, and have strong will power when I am convinced I want to do something. The closest I came to a support group was reading this thread and talking briefly with one of the posters therein when I first quit (he had also just stopped).
My point was that "half assed" to me means that the poster doesn't really care that much about the outcome. Has nothing to do with programs, whether AA or otherwise. But trying and failing, whether with a program or without, may be the wakeup call that makes the person recognize their dependence and WANT to change.
If you can really make a half-assed attempt to quit where you don't really want to quit, and it sticks, then yeah I don't think there was a real dependence there in the first place. If that pisses you off, so be it, but that's your problem, not mine. It sounds like you wanted to quit and worked hard at it, which is far from "half assed".
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 28, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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Sorry, i thought you were bundeling folks who try to quit without a program into your half assed catagory.
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