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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 30, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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So the "paper" is saying hfcs have the depleted the ozone layer, which in turn created added solar radiance ,which in turn created tropospheric warming. But they theorize since hfc s ,are on the decline the earth will cool.Thats it in a nutshell.Do you really believe that?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 30, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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^^^ Its a trap and a troll, don't respond!!!1111
Well, at least somebody knows what's going on here.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 30, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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It is all manipulation of data Bruce. Look it up, not all connotations of the word imply dishonesty. You Dr., look in the mirror-look at that look of fear in your face. It is an irrational imagination of an apocalyptic doom that a collective of modern culture seems to share.In your case, it leads you to thrash around in infantile attacks on all those you deem the cause.
I believe in the future Wilbeer, independent of humankinds puny efforts.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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May 30, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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The trolls are ever more transparent.
Here is some background on the non-accepted theory of Lu on Cosmic rays and CFCs.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/07/lu-from-interesting-but-incorrect-to-just-wrong/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/CFCs-global-warming.htm
The first thing you should do if you are going to call yourself a "skeptic" is read the FAQs and find that your latest denial of established science was already rebutted years ago.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Lu's latest paper draft is mostly just a rehash of his previous work, claiming that a "corrected observed global temperature" proves that all warming from 1860 to 1960 was due to solar forcing, and warming since then is due to CFCs. It is based on dubious correlations and assumptions such as claiming that non-CFC gases such as CO2 have "saturated" in potential effect, so more CO2 will have no greenhouse effect.
When you do a google search on Lu CFC climate change you will get a bunch of links to crap from places like the Heartland Institute and a bunch of fake science blogs. The only thing interesting you will learn is how many fake science websites exist, and how quickly they latch onto nonsense.
CFC forcings on climate change are already built in to all the reviewed models. Why is it that "skeptics" seem to think that the more they post, the more they "win." I guess that's true if obstructionism is winning.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 30, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
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I believe in the future as well.
It would be too much to believe that just a reduction in carbon output and more efficient FF use would create a flat line in CC.[like it is believed to]
Naw, hell no,we would be tampering then .
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 30, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
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Look up the definition of the word manipulation Norton.
Splater thankyou for sharing Lu's history and connections according to the CO2 doom lobby.
Are you talking in advanced mathematical language or something Ed. Can't figure out what point you are trying to make.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 30, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
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THE CHIEF DOESN'T POST BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!! HE IS A HYPOCRIT...HE USES SOLAR POWER, HE RAISED A DAUGHTER SO ELITE IN SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES SHE BECAME A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, HE TRUSTS AND USES PRODUCTS DEVELOPED, ENGINEERED, AND TESTED BY SCIENTISTS DAILY. HE LIVES IN A BACKWOODS COMMUNE, HE RECYCLES, ETC ETC
A close look at his post history reveals that he began posting right after the soap opera "days of our lives" went off the air...I feel for you Chief...my grandfather also a Navy man built himself a woodshop to stay busy but he was to manly to get hooked on soap operas I guess supertopo is acceptable to keep you entertained...
Can you imagine waking up DAILY looking in the mirror and then bashing elite scientists when you raised one, bashing city dwelling latte drinking yuppies when you raised one, bashing tree hugging backwoods dwelling communists when you are one, THERE IS NO WAY THIS THREAD IS ANYTHING BUT ENTERTAINMENT IN BETWEEN CLEANING BROOKIES FOR DINNER!!!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 31, 2013 - 12:23am PT
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Splatter has said it,OBSTRUCTIONISM
Why because if its not that,and its not science,what is it.
BS.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 31, 2013 - 01:04am PT
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That the predictions are to reduced in #5 is a good thing Ed. A level of volcanic aerosols are a natural occurence, one of many ignored, misunderstood, or unknown. By the time all of nature is fully understood and quantified our species will have made way for evolutions next replacement.
You guys misunderstand the Chief at your own peril.One thing i can say i learned from observation of his posts is that he turns the table on the more programmed of you and uses the very same tactics you have learned but with a lot more force.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 31, 2013 - 01:20am PT
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The bombastic Chief , posing as an expert on climatology , posts charts and data that he likely hasn't a clue about...Nothing more annoying than an opinionated , loud mouth attention whore but i do respect his trolling techniques and give him credit for thoroughly stirring the pot....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 31, 2013 - 01:57am PT
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Are you saying all about everything is known, the whole 10 to the billionth bits of the universe's information, Ed. Well why in the hell are they still playing with their toy models. Surely they could just pronounce "let there be light" ,then there would be light.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 31, 2013 - 09:46am PT
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The Chief...I majored in delusional mind tactic and seduction techniques and you will probably spend the day fishing by a secluded back country stream arguing with the brookies....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 31, 2013 - 11:26am PT
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It is all, both pro and con papers, cherry picking of data, then skillful handling (manipulation) of said data. Hell, look at the papers, most of them list their methods. If after picking and handling the data sets the results of the equations went in a much different direction ,refuting their own ideas, then the originator of the excercise would feel much less urge to publish.This is my answer to both Norton and Dr. F.
You know, this merry go round is getting boring without some new material to cover. It is prone in times like this to degenerate into stupid fits of pointing and name calling. Somebody please dig up something new worth arguing about.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 31, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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Are you sure global warming has flat lined, Anderson?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 31, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
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hey Rick
you Wasilla yahoo
explain exactly how the "data was manipulated"
prove your sh!t, Rick
OR apologize for lying
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 31, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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Oh, i forgot about you Bruce. I think we covered all this in our resounding defeat of your religiuos CAGW beliefs, but to reiterate.
1.Yes AGW is a fact. As Ed said, a rather feeble signal compared to natural variability.If you think that billions and billions of multi ton eating machines known as dinosaurs didn't influence the planet then obviously you were not at the tail end of their methane release.
2. Intuition is what people like Darwin, Einstein,Dyson,Lindzen etc. share, that along with the ability to share it through the language of science.Prejudice is the trait that your CAGW religion shares with many religions and political systems on this planet-the inflexible belief they are the chosen people and the sole recipients of the divine truths.
3. See above. If competing beliefs conflict with their view of the world, as the chosen people, then it must obviously be wrong in their minds
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 31, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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well Ed,
I understand your call for me to be more civil, and not call rick a liar for saying the date is manipulated
I don't feel my use of the word liar is inappropriate here as when someone intentionally says something they know to be untrue then they are a "liar"
I believe in calling out liars, for lots and lots of reasons
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 31, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
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And NEVER bring my parents into YOUR bullshy
I agree, Ron
that was wrong
all of us do tend to insult others who we may disagree with, fine we are all thick skinned
but making up stuff about one's parents is flat wrong, that is over the line personal
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 31, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
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The Chief wrote:
With that said, I am outta here for a while. Heading up to some secret spots...
LOL!!!!!!!1111 Lines like that might work on the n00bs on summitpost, but I doubt too many here are impressed with your vast secret knowledge of the Sierra.
Tell the truth, are you really placing convenience anchors on the Mountaineer's route, like you did on North Peak?
Climb safe out there, OK?
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