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dirtbag

climber
May 30, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Burchey you should warn your friend that reading Chief Running Mouth's posts might make him dumber.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Ed continues to bring interesting research to light to aid in the understanding the dynamics of the multitude of forces and mechanisms driving climate here on Earth.Large portions most of us can understand, other portions are written in the more complex language of science. Let's all give Mr. Hartouni a big round of applause for his patient efforts to keep us all informed. I think all of the more reasonable thinkers among us have ruled out imminent catastrophic anthropogenic forcing disasters. If you listen closely you can trust Ed's interpretations.Now read some of the science and ask questions.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 30, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
re thechief

from wikipedia:



Chewbacca defense

Johnnie Cochran using the Chewbacca defense against Chef in South Park.
The Chewbacca defense is a legal strategy used in episode 27 of South Park, "Chef Aid", which premiered on October 7, 1998, as the fourteenth episode of the second season. The aim of the argument is to deliberately confuse the jury by making use of the fallacy known as ignoratio elenchi (or a red herring). The concept satirised attorney Johnnie Cochran's closing argument defending O. J. Simpson in his murder trial.

In the satire's original defense, the fictional Cochran started by stating, incorrectly, that Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. After then noting that this statement "does not make sense", Cochran continues to connect the senselessness of his own statement to the actual case, implying that it is equally senseless. His closing argument "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit" is lampooning the actual Cochran's original "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit".

Usage

The Associated Press obituary for Cochran mentioned the Chewbacca defense parody as one of the ways in which the attorney had entered pop culture.[3]

Criminologist Dr. Thomas O'Connor says that when DNA evidence shows "inclusion", that is, does not exonerate a client by exclusion from the DNA sample provided, "About the only thing you can do is attack the lab for its (lack of) quality assurance and proficiency testing, or use a 'Chewbacca defense' … and try to razzle-dazzle the jury about how complex and complicated the other side's evidence or probability estimates are."[4] Forensic scientist Erin Kenneally has argued that court challenges to digital evidence frequently use the Chewbacca defense by presenting multiple alternative explanations of forensic evidence obtained from computers and Internet providers to raise the reasonable doubt understood by a jury. Kenneally also provides methods that can be used to rebut a Chewbacca defense.[5][6] Kenneally and colleague Anjali Swienton have presented this topic before the Florida State Court System and at the 2005 American Academy of Forensic Sciences annual meeting.[7]

The term has also seen use in political commentary; Ellis Weiner wrote in The Huffington Post that Dinesh D'Souza was using the Chewbacca defense in criticism of then new Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, defining it as when "someone asserts his claim by saying something so patently nonsensical that the listener's brain shuts down completely".[8]

Jay Heinrichs' book Thank You for Arguing states that the term "Chewbacca defense" is "sneaking into the lexicon" as another name for the red herring fallacy.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense


thechief is the michelle bachman of supertopo--how can anyone want to try to debate that kind of crazy?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
So, you have read some of the science,and you have NO questions? Dick.

You think your position is reasonable?


Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 30, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Chief here is a list of the things I believe:

Earth is 4.6 billion years old based on the science


Excuse me for sidetracking from the politics of global warming for a moment... from what event in the evolution of the planet is the 4.6 million years calculated?

From the epoch of the solar system's accretion disk gradually drawing material together into proto-planets? When a Mars sized body collided with the proto-earth, forging its present mass?...or from when the planet's crust cooled?

The formation of the planet took a vast interval of time. From what event... or sequence of cognate events in the unfolding development of the planet does "science" measure the apportioned 4.6 billion years?
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
May 30, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
He Rick, great post! Ed, your patience and the info you have posted is very much appreciated.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
"Excuse me for sidetracking from the politics of global warming"

Excellent.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
How about the first known appearance of life Jennie. I believe stromata identified in Australia 3.8 billion years old. There are those that claim our solar system is a second generation system partially formed from the leftovers of a previous supernova. But, in a sense is their such a thing as time if their is not lifeforms to benefit from times change or evolution and to note its passage?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
So chef ,you agree with that analogy above as having nothing to do with GW,yet Dicks observation of a few weeks ago ,"still cross country skiing",has some sort of meaning?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
http://explore.glacierworks.org/#glaciers/compare-photos
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:00pm PT

Just out. The REALITY vs. The Fairy Tales.

You posted a figure to show that Lindzen's prediction was incorrect?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Oldest living life?

ONE BILLION YEARS

The billion year old protozoan has been known to exist only in one small part of a lake in Ås Norway 30 kilometers south of Oslo since 1865 but has not been classified or completely analyzed until now due to the limitations of technology.

This life form is distinctively different from any other plant, animal, or any other form of life presently known and incorporates some of the attributes of both plant and animal cells. The organism has been given a new branch called Collodictyon in the "Tree of Life" due to the protozoa's unique characteristics.

The protozoan has a nucleus, consumes green algae, is cannibalistic, and has four flagella.

The implications of this discovery cannot be overstated. This is the world’s oldest life form that is still living today. This life form is one billion years old. Both plant and animal portions of the protozoa's genome have been shown to exist.
http://www.examiner.com/article/oldest-life-form-on-earth-found-norway
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Oldest and still living life form: Cyanobacteria -up to 3.5 billion years old
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
damn!

but my protozoan can eat your bacteria, take that!
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
http://www.skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html

The proof that The Chief neither tries to read the blogs that he take figures from, care about the source of his information or tries to understand the meaning of the figure?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
we are now at 3.5 billion years, ron
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 30, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
no, I don't believe I missed anything, Ron

you started this by saying "life form", and nowhere until now are you saying "animal"

here is your original:
the oldest life form known on this rock is

big big difference between oldest animal and oldest life form, eh?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 30, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
http://www.desmogblog.com/nicola-scafetta

The Chief's source, Scafetta (author of the Harmonic moodel), debunked here:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/a-phenomenological-sequel/
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
As are ALL the others. Every last one of em.

No you posted a figure that showed that all mainstream predictions except one from 79 where pretty accurate while the predictions from "sceptics" where pretty bad. Sad that you don't even know what you post.
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:34pm PT

Just an addition to my claim that ALL the modelling is inaccurate. ALL.

A model can be good even though it doesn't predict accurately with 5 decimals.

Do you know that it exist no model of for example an airplane that is good enough to predict the behavior of the airplane completely accurate but that we anyway can model and understand airplane behavior good enough to build and operate them?


But you of course need to redirect that reality to something far more obscure. Consistent with the tactics. Consistent.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean with that.
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