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dirtbag
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May 30, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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Burchey you should warn your friend that reading Chief Running Mouth's posts might make him dumber.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 30, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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Ed continues to bring interesting research to light to aid in the understanding the dynamics of the multitude of forces and mechanisms driving climate here on Earth.Large portions most of us can understand, other portions are written in the more complex language of science. Let's all give Mr. Hartouni a big round of applause for his patient efforts to keep us all informed. I think all of the more reasonable thinkers among us have ruled out imminent catastrophic anthropogenic forcing disasters. If you listen closely you can trust Ed's interpretations.Now read some of the science and ask questions.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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May 30, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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re thechief
from wikipedia:
Chewbacca defense
Johnnie Cochran using the Chewbacca defense against Chef in South Park.
The Chewbacca defense is a legal strategy used in episode 27 of South Park, "Chef Aid", which premiered on October 7, 1998, as the fourteenth episode of the second season. The aim of the argument is to deliberately confuse the jury by making use of the fallacy known as ignoratio elenchi (or a red herring). The concept satirised attorney Johnnie Cochran's closing argument defending O. J. Simpson in his murder trial.
In the satire's original defense, the fictional Cochran started by stating, incorrectly, that Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. After then noting that this statement "does not make sense", Cochran continues to connect the senselessness of his own statement to the actual case, implying that it is equally senseless. His closing argument "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit" is lampooning the actual Cochran's original "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit".
Usage
The Associated Press obituary for Cochran mentioned the Chewbacca defense parody as one of the ways in which the attorney had entered pop culture.[3]
Criminologist Dr. Thomas O'Connor says that when DNA evidence shows "inclusion", that is, does not exonerate a client by exclusion from the DNA sample provided, "About the only thing you can do is attack the lab for its (lack of) quality assurance and proficiency testing, or use a 'Chewbacca defense' … and try to razzle-dazzle the jury about how complex and complicated the other side's evidence or probability estimates are."[4] Forensic scientist Erin Kenneally has argued that court challenges to digital evidence frequently use the Chewbacca defense by presenting multiple alternative explanations of forensic evidence obtained from computers and Internet providers to raise the reasonable doubt understood by a jury. Kenneally also provides methods that can be used to rebut a Chewbacca defense.[5][6] Kenneally and colleague Anjali Swienton have presented this topic before the Florida State Court System and at the 2005 American Academy of Forensic Sciences annual meeting.[7]
The term has also seen use in political commentary; Ellis Weiner wrote in The Huffington Post that Dinesh D'Souza was using the Chewbacca defense in criticism of then new Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, defining it as when "someone asserts his claim by saying something so patently nonsensical that the listener's brain shuts down completely".[8]
Jay Heinrichs' book Thank You for Arguing states that the term "Chewbacca defense" is "sneaking into the lexicon" as another name for the red herring fallacy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense
thechief is the michelle bachman of supertopo--how can anyone want to try to debate that kind of crazy?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 30, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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So, you have read some of the science,and you have NO questions? Dick.
You think your position is reasonable?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 30, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
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Chief here is a list of the things I believe:
Earth is 4.6 billion years old based on the science
Excuse me for sidetracking from the politics of global warming for a moment... from what event in the evolution of the planet is the 4.6 million years calculated?
From the epoch of the solar system's accretion disk gradually drawing material together into proto-planets? When a Mars sized body collided with the proto-earth, forging its present mass?...or from when the planet's crust cooled?
The formation of the planet took a vast interval of time. From what event... or sequence of cognate events in the unfolding development of the planet does "science" measure the apportioned 4.6 billion years?
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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May 30, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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He Rick, great post! Ed, your patience and the info you have posted is very much appreciated.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 30, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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"Excuse me for sidetracking from the politics of global warming"
Excellent.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 30, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
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How about the first known appearance of life Jennie. I believe stromata identified in Australia 3.8 billion years old. There are those that claim our solar system is a second generation system partially formed from the leftovers of a previous supernova. But, in a sense is their such a thing as time if their is not lifeforms to benefit from times change or evolution and to note its passage?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 30, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
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So chef ,you agree with that analogy above as having nothing to do with GW,yet Dicks observation of a few weeks ago ,"still cross country skiing",has some sort of meaning?
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raymond phule
climber
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May 30, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Just out. The REALITY vs. The Fairy Tales.
You posted a figure to show that Lindzen's prediction was incorrect?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 30, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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Oldest living life?
ONE BILLION YEARS
The billion year old protozoan has been known to exist only in one small part of a lake in Ås Norway 30 kilometers south of Oslo since 1865 but has not been classified or completely analyzed until now due to the limitations of technology.
This life form is distinctively different from any other plant, animal, or any other form of life presently known and incorporates some of the attributes of both plant and animal cells. The organism has been given a new branch called Collodictyon in the "Tree of Life" due to the protozoa's unique characteristics.
The protozoan has a nucleus, consumes green algae, is cannibalistic, and has four flagella.
The implications of this discovery cannot be overstated. This is the world’s oldest life form that is still living today. This life form is one billion years old. Both plant and animal portions of the protozoa's genome have been shown to exist.
http://www.examiner.com/article/oldest-life-form-on-earth-found-norway
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 30, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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damn!
but my protozoan can eat your bacteria, take that!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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we are now at 3.5 billion years, ron
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 30, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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no, I don't believe I missed anything, Ron
you started this by saying "life form", and nowhere until now are you saying "animal"
here is your original:
the oldest life form known on this rock is
big big difference between oldest animal and oldest life form, eh?
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raymond phule
climber
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May 30, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
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As are ALL the others. Every last one of em.
No you posted a figure that showed that all mainstream predictions except one from 79 where pretty accurate while the predictions from "sceptics" where pretty bad. Sad that you don't even know what you post.
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raymond phule
climber
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May 30, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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Just an addition to my claim that ALL the modelling is inaccurate. ALL.
A model can be good even though it doesn't predict accurately with 5 decimals.
Do you know that it exist no model of for example an airplane that is good enough to predict the behavior of the airplane completely accurate but that we anyway can model and understand airplane behavior good enough to build and operate them?
But you of course need to redirect that reality to something far more obscure. Consistent with the tactics. Consistent.
I have absolutely no idea what you mean with that.
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