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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 22, 2010 - 11:53am PT
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The appropriate response to the science is an economic, not a scientific decision. This necessarily involves politics. There is nothing wrong with that. Give the people the infomration and let them decide what they will do. That's the nature of our Republic.
John
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Jan 23, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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Tornado warning just issued for Contra Costa County,
WTF, over?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 23, 2010 - 06:30pm PT
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again, i've never said we should do nothing; i'm simply asking that we act wisely rather than rashly...kyoto was a joke since NONE of the signatories even met their promised goals and NONE of the signatories matched america's reductions...copenhagen was a joke, too, purely political--let's pressure america into crippling their economy while china and india keep belching away...and let's make america give a bunch of money to third world countries that have no means or inclination to be held accountable on how they spend that money
it's time for the science community to purge the elements that have brought not only doubt about the science but also disgrace to the profesion...admit the exaggerations and hype; call out al gore for the huckster that he is; remove all bureaucrats from the ipcc; publish ALL data; encourage dissent; create a review board that includes an equal number of skeptical scientists; and, if the science is "settled", use all further reseach funding to find solutions that are effective and cost efficient
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REIGN 1
Trad climber
Mt. Woodson, Ca
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Jan 23, 2010 - 06:47pm PT
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They will never do that. It makes to much sense.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 23, 2010 - 06:57pm PT
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Tornado warning just issued for Contra Costa County,
WTF, over?
Yer gonna die!!! So we should hit either hit the Aquarian Valley chossfest or the Nature Nazi Boulder circuit tomorrow.....
I'm in either way, I gotta get out! Me and you Sprock, 2 men, and the elements.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 23, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
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Sometimes you get hail up there, but whatever, you still do the circuit....and have a beer or two...
Great pic because you can actually see the hail-balls flying off me...and the pile at my feet!
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 25, 2010 - 04:17pm PT
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from todays wsj online:
The Continuing Global-Warmist Crack-Up
London's Mail on Sunday reports on the latest climate-science scandal:
The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report's chapter on Asia, said: "It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action."It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in."London's Times, meanwhile, reports that the IPCC's head, Rajendra Pachauri, "admitted that there may have been other errors in the same section of the report":
"I know a lot of climate sceptics are after my blood, but I'm in no mood to oblige them," he told The Times in an interview. "It was a collective failure by a number of people," he said. "I need to consider what action to take, but that will take several weeks. It's best to think with a cool head, rather than shoot from the hip." The Sunday Times turns up more errors:
The United Nations climate science panel faces new controversy for wrongly linking global warming to an increase in the number and severity of natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods. It based the claims on an unpublished report that had not been subjected to routine scientific scrutiny--and ignored warnings from scientific advisers that the evidence supporting the link [was] too weak. The report's own authors later withdrew the claim because they felt the evidence was not strong enough.But politicians have picked up on these false claims:
Ed Miliband, the [British] energy and climate change minister, has suggested British and overseas floods--such as those in Bangladesh in 2007--could be linked to global warming. Barack Obama, the US president, said last autumn: "More powerful storms and floods threaten every continent." We are supposed to believe the politicians when they warn us about global warming because they have the authority of scientists behind them. The more we learn, however, the more it seems that scientists are merely playing politics.
The Science and Technology Committee of Britain's House of Commons is now investigating the University of East Anglia emails, with an eye to answering the crucial question: "What are the implications of the disclosures for the integrity of scientific research?" When will Congress follow suit?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Jan 25, 2010 - 05:04pm PT
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Winters' only half over Rok and cabin fever is making you
seriously grouchy. Did you lose money on the Vikings too?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 25, 2010 - 05:17pm PT
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I am determined to end the world with a methane explosion! Its not easy to find a new cataclysm that nobody has heard of, and I am going to ride it as far as it can be flogged.
Start lighthing those farts.
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gazela
Boulder climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Jan 25, 2010 - 05:37pm PT
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The issue goes beyond the substance of what the IPCC claims. Once one has been demonstrated to have a political agenda or bias, the real issue is that person's credibility, especially when his/her claims are of the "sky is falling" variety. ("Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," or something like that--and I would add that this is especially so when the proposed remedy would have catastrophic economic consequences.) The assertion that Himalayan glaciers would all melt by 2035 was made on the basis of nothing, and its author has admitted that it was added to scare politicians into taking action. But, hey, read the study and refute it if you can. Credibility? Move along, nothing to see here.
My career as a trial lawyer was blessedly short, but it didn't take long for me to learn that the real whores of the courtroom are technical or scientific "experts." In short, if a party to a lawsuit needs someone with credentials to testify to a given proposition, and there's a buck in it, there will always be someone who's willing to prostitute him- or herself to that end. And the "buck" doesn't even have to represent real money, as payment often comes in the form of ideological self-gratification. In the case of the AGW debate, the incestuous nature of the peer-review process indicates strongly that the ideological self-gratification is of the mutual variety. (Did someone say "circle jerk"?)
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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my point, ed, is that originally the ozone hole was an imminent disaster with hysteric cries for new, costly legislation; and, now...
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 26, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
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Shocker, Bookworm completely misses the take home from that article he posted on the Ozone Layer.
"He said the findings of the research did not mean the ozone hole should be kept open.
"You can't correct two wrongs in that way," he said. "The ozone hole was potentially a major catastrophe for the planet that was only stopped by the Montreal Protocol, so we can't go back on that."
Instead, he said it was essential for carbon emissions to be slashed in the same way that CFCs – the ozone-depleting substances in aerosols – were cut under the 1987 Montreal Protocol."
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 26, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
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There may not be complete science about melting Himalayan Glaciers but don't fool yourself. THEY ARE MELTING. It took me two days to hike from where the Ganges USED TO pour out of a glacial ice cliff to where it does now. It's receded miles and miles.
Many millions rely on the glacial waters of the Himalaya. It's not a joke what's happening to glaciers
peace
Karl
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
CA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
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Earth's highest recorded temperature, can you imagine?
If you believe the way al gore talks, or all those graphs posted here,
the warmest temperature would just have to be last week, or last month, or certainly in 2009, right?
After all the world is getting hotter at almost a degree a year ... right?
wrong.
Earth's "warm"est recorded tempeature 136 F
at Al' Aziziyah, Libya September 13, 1922
or, if you don't trust the measurement and your preference is US data
"warm"est north american temperature recorded in Death Valley 134 F
July 10, 1913
if Al Gore is so right, why is the data so wrong?
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franky
climber
Davis, CA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 05:09pm PT
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Earth's highest recorded temperature, can you imagine?
If you believe the way al gore talks, or all those graphs posted here,
the warmest temperature would just have to be last week, or last month, or certainly in 2009, right?
After all the world is getting hotter at almost a degree a year ... right?
wrong.
Earth's "warm"est recorded tempeature 136 F
at Al' Aziziyah, Libya September 13, 1922
or, if you don't trust the measurement and your preference is US data
"warm"est north american temperature recorded in Death Valley 134 F
July 10, 1913
if Al Gore is so right, why is the data so wrong?
Just had to quote that in case EdBannister decides to edit it
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
CA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 05:17pm PT
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the truth is,
that data doesn't mean much either,
the earth is getting warmer, but it is childlike to assume that a few hundred years of data mean much, when the scale of time is Geologic.
Yosemite Valley was fullof ice, and has four recessional moraines all of which witness periods of stability, and periods of less precip or higher temperatures... but...
man did not make it then, and might have absolutely nothing to do with it now... right now the only for sure link to the fashionable
"global warming" is money.
a few years ago, 70% of the worlds hetrosexual population was for sure, scientificly proven unavoidably going to get aids.
the research money flowed.
Last week we learned that there was NO DATA for the grand proof of global warming as shown by the glacial retraction in the Himalaya. fabricated to fit policy.
or, if you are going to use tree rings great! then use them for the data for the entire period, ok? no, the "data" doesn't fit the politics there either!
or what about the estimate that manmade CO2 is less than 3.5% of what is out there, but somehow we forgot to mention, CO2 is not the primary greenhouse gas in the atmosphere!
H2O is! do you want to get rid of that too?
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michae1
Gym climber
san jose
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Jan 26, 2010 - 05:19pm PT
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why was 2005 the hottest do you mean the avg. temp. ? a location ? saying 05 was the hottest
with out specifics is just a open ended statement
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 26, 2010 - 05:20pm PT
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the truth is,
that data doesn't mean much either,
the earth is getting warmer, but it is childlike to assume that a few hundred years of data mean much, when the scale of time is Geologic.
Yosemite Valley was fullof ice, and has four recessional moraines all of which witness periods of stability, and periods of less precip or higher temperatures... but...
man did not make it then, and might have absolutely nothing to do with it now... right now the only for sure link to the fashionable
"global warming" is money.
a few years ago, 70% of the worlds hetrosexual population was for sure, scientificly proven unavoidably going to get aids.
the research money flowed.
Last week we learned that there was NO DATA for the grand proof of global warming as shown by the glacial retraction in the Himalaya. fabricated to fit policy.
or, if you are going to use tree rings great! then use them for the data for the entire period, ok? no, the "data" doesn't fit the politics there either!
or what about the estimate that manmade CO2 is less than 3.5% of what is out there, but somehow we forgot to mention, CO2 is not the primary greenhouse gas in the atmosphere!
H2O is! do you want to get rid of that too?
YOU SHOULD RIGHT A LETTER TO ALL THOSE EGGHEAD SIENTISTS AND TELL THEM THAT THEY NEED TO CONSIDER THIS!!!
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