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nature

climber
Whereverland....
Aug 24, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
Because you're impossible to have a reasonable discussion with.


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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 05:16pm PT
Communists? You're worried about Communists?
Get a fuggin' grip, man.

Not really worried so much as concerned. And they don't usually call themselves commies anymore, as they've recognized it don't play well in America. They use 'progressives' and 'socialists' and 'professional left'. They know most people won't buy their crap, so they create other nice sounding terms.

http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/the-professional-left-vs-the-amateur-right-t5883.html

Dude nails it...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Aug 24, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
Hey, can I jump in to this game?

For what it is worth...


...nah, on second thought, it is worth nothing.

I use to participate in a lot of the political threads on the Taco Stand, sadly perhaps more than the climbing threads (I'll have to fix that), but it appears to me that it is the same people taking their same old stands on everything.

It appears to me, and I could be wrong, that those of the conservative/right wing brigade won't change their stance and the same goes for the other side - no matter what facts are presented to dispute or challenge some BS. Very few seem to be willing to open their minds, and very few seem willing to accept that perhaps the 'other' side has some valid comments.

What is this, tennis?
edejom

Boulder climber
Butte, America
Aug 24, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
I'll check out the article in its entirely later, Blue--but, for now...



Communism was feared because it was spreading around the world and threatening a capitalist lifestyle--it was a horrible scourge and could never work, which is why we feared it.

Wait, that doesn't make logical sense...


Did we we deeply think that it could take over our way of life, which was already different, self-sustaining and prosperous?


Where did the fear of Communism come from?


That 50 year-old ghost thinking dies with humans that lived in its throes...







edit: "Where did the fear of Communism come from?"

The insecurities in the practice and faith of our own sovereignty.


philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Aug 24, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
Power brokers always need a boogie man.





Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Aug 24, 2010 - 06:37pm PT
Firstly, it was totally wrong to go into Iraq a second time just to satisfy Bushie Boy's attempt to salvage his father's reputation about Gulf War One not being as successful as some would wish.

There has been enough documentation that the nutter Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction that could threaten the West. It was the Shrub's war, which, according to him initially, the allies won early on (remember the aircraft speech). Ha, ha, maybe Georgie Boy missed his calling as a stand-up comedian.

It also meant taking our eye off of Afghanistan - a place that for example, Alexander the Great, the British Empire and the Soviets could not control. I still believe politically that even the Afghani conflict is not the right place to be, despite how despicable the Taliban and their Al-Qaeda allies are.

I have told my conservative brother and his wife (more like a sister to me than sister-in-law) the same, but I also added that I will support the troops - allied and US (as usual we donate more of our soldiers than other Nato countries) - who have been stationed there, including their son, my godson Benjamin, who is now in Afghanistan with his Marine unit.

I have no answers (so perhaps I should shut up), but Afghanistan is proving to be the quagmire that Alexander, the Brits and Ruskies have found it to be.

All in all, I believe that American policy in the past nine or so years has recruited more to the anti-American cause than anything else. Thanks George and Mr Cheney, and the rest of their misguided team. And Obama is really just carrying on the formers' policies. So much for change. It is politics as usual.

Yes, I consider myself a liberal (American liberal, not as leftist as some European liberals) but I am open to new ideas from the spectrum. What makes democracies great, such as ours, is that there is a mix of opinion that should, and usually does, balance things out.

On this thread, there has been some good comments from both sides of the spectrum, but there has been a lot of misinformation and disinformation as well - let's call a spade a spade, bullsh*t is being passed back and forth. It really is a matter of those on other sides of the spectrum preaching to their own kind. People have made their minds up it seems and will stick to their ideology, though not all of us Supertopians, there are some open-minded people on the Taco Stand. As for me, I DO TRY to see all views, I am not perfect, but I TRY to be objective and open minded.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 24, 2010 - 07:33pm PT
And they don't usually call themselves commies anymore, as they've recognized it don't play well in America.

You're right! Now they call themselves 'bankers', 'CEO's, 'Directors', and 'republicans' - and they all specialize in socializing private sector losses to the masses.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
Welcome back, Patrick.


Dr. ,that's BS about the Koch brothers. That all came from a hatchet-job from New Yorker magazine. The 2 brothers deny the allegation, is there any definitive proof of the NYer's claim?

And regarding the article's not mentioning commies (from my above link), that was kinda the point of the article. They never claim to be commies, they use feel-good terms now.


EDIT: Healy, those are neo-cons....and the tea-partiers are opposed to that kind of crap.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
Hey! Guess what, the Koch Brothers are commies! healyje is right!

The family has a complicated relationship with Communism
The family business, Koch Industries, was built up by their brothers' father Fred, an "arch-conservative" and member of of the staunchly anti-Communist (some might say "paranoid") John Birch Society. But, ironically enough, the firm's financial success was built on the back of work done in collaboration with the Soviet government under Stalin in the 1930s, according to Mayer. By the 1950s and 60s, Koch Sr. was raising the alarm about Communists infiltrating U.S. society and government. In addition to a vast fortune, says Mayer, the Koch boys also inherited their father's "distrust of the U.S. government."
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
Gary they sound like capitalists to me.

http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries-how-stalin-funded-the-tea-party-movement/

And the above link is clearly biased against 'tea baggers'. But they illustrate that the Koch's were good entrepreneurs. And I still don't see how the Koch's are attached to the common tea-partier.

If anything they're neo-cons and free-trade types.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 24, 2010 - 07:59pm PT
I still don't see how the Koch's are attached to the common tea-partier.
They have party meetings in the ark on the backside of the moon - neocons, teabaggers, Rethuglicans, FatTrad, the Kochs, and all their fellow travellers. They worship and receive instruction from their space alien masters, who want to destroy the US so they can take over the world. Klimmer told me.

But then he also told me that Obama is one of the aliens, or something like that.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
Thanks Anders, I always wondered.

Check the Afghani thread to see Canada rolling proud. I was impressed with their speed of reloading/refiring.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2010 - 08:07pm PT
Gary they sound like capitalists to me.

Yeah, that's what they want you to believe! Commies never call themselves commies anymore.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Aug 24, 2010 - 08:12pm PT
brokenclock said
Not really worried so much as concerned. And they don't usually call themselves commies anymore, as they've recognized it don't play well in America. They use 'progressives' and 'socialists' and 'professional left'. They know most people won't buy their crap, so they create other nice sounding terms.


WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS HAVE A CALM REASONABLE DISCUSSION BASED ON MARGINALIZING MY POLITICAL OPPONENTS BY USING HYPERBOLIC AND MISUSED LABELS THAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND?!?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
priceless!

http://zombietime.com/crashing_the_crashers/

Only in SF;

http://www.zombietime.com/walking_tour_of_sf_protests/
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
Not even Eisenhower called himself a commie!!!111

But there is a traitor in our recent presidential history who was beyond socialism, beyond flirting with communism, a man who clearly was a redistributionist communist to his very core. That president had the top tax rate at 91%. He dealt with commies regularly, even helping the Russkies plan and coordinate military operations. As president, he hosted commie leaders who came to the U.S. to study how to infiltrate and overcome our freedoms. And he threw billions of our tax dollars into designing and building a road system the commies could use to move their troops and tanks through America when they finally invaded. That treasonous, craven, commie Quizling was, of course, Dwight David Eisenhower.

http://www.laprogressive.com/political-issues/reagan-the-socialist-nixon-the-commie-eisenhower-the-quisling/
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 09:05pm PT
Nice try, Gary....You're actually going with the Reagan socialist crap? If he was such a socialist, commies like you would love him, right? Like Nixon and Eisenhower?

You people are priceless.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 24, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
You have to admit that Peak Communism is a real mountain, despite its name. Probably just about the same challenges for capitalists and commies.
Even if it was renamed Peak Ismail Samani by the Tajik government, after the 10th century Persian conqueror.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2010 - 09:26pm PT
You people are priceless.

So Fox News logic only works one way, eh, bluering?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
Gary, I have never claimed that FOX is a bastion of absolute truth, although they do as good of job as all others, if not better. They just cover stories other media outlets choose to ignore, which yes, puts them in a right-leaning camp.

Let's not pretend that NPR, MSNBC, NYTimes, and CNN don't have their biases. Where is an anti-communist to go?
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