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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:20am PT
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I used to respect climbers.
BwaHaHaHa! OK, I’m ready for my cofveve(sp?) now!
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John M
climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:50am PT
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yep.. pretty naive of me. my exposure to climbers was limited mostly to high level, high character climbers in Yosemite. I put on blinders. My bad. I guess that I ran in a limited circle.
I wasn't a climber like most of you. It wasn't my passion. I climbed because my friends climbed. They are good climbers and good people and I love the outdoors and doing most anything in it. I lived in Yosemite for 25 years, so I made friends with a number of climbers who took me climbing. I also met many of the best climbers in the world. Most of them are quality people.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:56am PT
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Trump is “an idiot,” Woodward wrote Kelly said, according to The Washington Post. “It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had.”
Mattis described Trump’s level of understanding as that of “a fifth- or sixth-grader.”'
Why couldn't you see this before you voted for him? 65 million other people did.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:58am PT
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John M, I realized a long time ago that I preferred the company of alpinists to rock climbers.
When yer stuck in a tent with somebody for days on end civility is paramount. 😉
edit: I got post 666! What do I win?
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Pewten
Trad climber
The Dark Side
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:10am PT
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666
From the dark side
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:34am PT
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JohnM, to be clear I wasn't complaining about Tut's tirades, rather, I was amused that they weren't being called out in the sea of open-minded civil discourse that you & Co claim to reside in. Jim Brennan was the only liberal here with courage. (And he calls me out too.) You, on the other hand, simply defended and obfuscated for a member of the team you claim you're not on.
my exposure to climbers was limited mostly to high level, high character climbers in Yosemite. I put on blinders. My bad. I guess that I ran in a limited circle.
Now, expand on this.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:40am PT
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John M, you are correct about the pitchfork video. FDR saw it and made the reforms needed to save capitalism in America. The plutocrats hated him for it. Finally, in the '70s, they started dismantling the New Deal. This is why we have Trump.
Let’s seed this thread with some climbing content. I simply will not tie in with someone who is pro Trump.
A couple of my best partners are somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun.
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John M
climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:45am PT
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no thanks.. you purposely misunderstand me. I was not defending kingtut.. i don't care for his outbursts. I do understand them though, just as I understand Jody's and ATG's bitterness. All of it gets tiresome. I rarely ever call anyone out anymore. Mostly because its almost never worked. The list of liberals that I have called out over the years is long, including crowley and philo, both of whom were banned because of their tirades.
You seem to want to nitpick my posts, so I am not motivated to share my experiences. I will say that one person I tried to get to post on the forum was Gary Boccarde. He and I never climbed together, but we are friends. He took one look at the Taco and said no thanks.
Edit: In case you do not know who Gary is, he owned a guiding company in Alaska and was on the first ascent of the Shield with Charlie Porter. He is an all around good guy. Him and his wife Susan.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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Geeeezz, when I say "expand on this" I'm not asking for additional prose--I'm asking you to take off the blinders you just admitted you wear. Expand the circle you just admitted you reside in.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:57am PT
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I will say that one person I tried to get to post on the forum was Gary Boccarde. He and I never climbed together, but we are friends. He took one look at the Taco and said no thanks.
I wonder if it was because he was horrified by the diversity of political views he found here? or by tirades like Tut's?
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John M
climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:58am PT
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I see no reason to expand my circle of climbing friends. I know plenty of conservatives and liberals. That is all that you seem to care about. My father is a Texas republican. My mother is a southern liberal. I grew up in conservative towns. A good portion of my life was spent with conservative people. Likely half of my friends are conservative. So no thanks.
Edit: it was nastiness like yours. arguing every point and never attempting to understand what a person was saying. just nitpicking them to death. Liberal or conservative. both sides have their crap people.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 10, 2018 - 11:01am PT
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You’re putting words in my mouth Gary.I didn’t say anything about not climbing with someone because of their political views. I said that I wouldn’t tie in with someone who supported Trump, a man with no discernible views not tied to his narcissism.
Again, it’s a saftey issue not a poltical one.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 10, 2018 - 11:08am PT
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A Trump sympathizer calling someone out for polluting.
Let that simmer.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 10, 2018 - 11:13am PT
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I said that I wouldn’t tie in with someone who supported Trump,
Right on. But as Michael Moore pointed out, a lot of people voted for Trump on the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" theory, as mistaken as that is, of course.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 11:24am PT
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President Donald Trump's cheerleading of the economy has been a constant since he took office in early 2017, but new claims over the past week have exaggerated the US's economic strength and falsely painted his administration as overseeing unprecedented success.
"The GDP Rate (4.2%) is higher than the Unemployment Rate (3.9%) for the first time in over 100 years!" Trump tweeted Monday.
Contrary to Trump's claim, however, this is the 64th quarter in the past 70 years during which the unemployment rate was below the quarterly GDP number. The most recent was in 2006.
But much of the recent strength of the economy is a continuation of a long post-recession trend, as unemployment continues to fall and US consumers keep spending. This same employment and personal consumption trends existed before the 2016 election and its unclear what government policy could have reversed it — much less push GDP to the deep recessionary level of -4%.
iPhone prices would rise up to 20% if Apple assembles in US like Trump wants: Bank of America
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 10, 2018 - 11:31am PT
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"You must be at least thirteen (13) years of age to use the Service. SuperTopo reserves the right to refuse service to anyone at any time without notice for any reason."
Just sayin'....
Carry on.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 10, 2018 - 11:50am PT
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How mature.
Can’t you just rail on us for polluting.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 10, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
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I used to joke with religious friends that I would never tie in with someone that was ready to meet their maker.
Political beliefs are just as faith based and tribal as religious beliefs, but I find it curious that the modern Victorian scolds reside more in the extremes of left wing political correctness, rather than religion.
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Pewten
Trad climber
The Dark Side
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Sep 10, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
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Authoritarians voted for Trump, they love their new King
They are such good little Nazis, but not so good on the end of the rope
They might narc on you for aid, cursing, medicinals, etc.
I sure would'nt tie with someone that voted for me, they believe my own lies!
It's better to be intolerant of Fascists/Nazis if you want to be non PC
Remember These people are cultists, just like the religious fascists in my Home Country that we love so much
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 10, 2018 - 05:03pm PT
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Another Victorian scold.
“ It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”
Mark Twain
You know ,extreme leftist.
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