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zBrown
Ice climber
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^I disagree about dismissing him outright. The guy was apparently on site in Nevada and therefore provides some unique insights into how this "movement' functions as well as the thought processes of one movement cowboy.
If Abbie Hoffman put him up to this I reserve the right to retract.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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He may have been there, but 'false flag'? Crankloon.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
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The Sheriff is holding a community meeting at 4 pm today, that should be interesting.
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Ammon Bundy sent the sheriff a little love note
Bundy Ranch
2 hrs ·
January 5, 2016
Dear Sheriff David Ward
Harney County, Oregon
In light of the ongoing protest as a result of the oppression of many in your county, I would like to share my thoughts and offer my assistance regarding your involvement in this matter.
You put yourself up and presented yourself to run for the elected office of Sheriff, You have been elected by the good citizens of Harney County and made an oath to them to protect their Lives, Liberties and Property. As a sworn protector, You promised them that you would protect them from enemies both foreign and domestic. You promised and assured them that you would support and defend the U.S. Constitution. You solemnly swore and entered into an oath before God and the people that you would uphold these promises.
Sheriff, your oath was not made to the federal government nor any of their corporate entities such as the BLM or Forest Service etc. This oath was quite the contrary that created a Sacred duty, to serve, protect and defend every single one of your citizens like a hen protects her chicks against all threats. Don’t forget who your boss is, we the people of Harney County. For the sheriff to allow anyone or anything to violate the rights of his people, We The People, is a dereliction of duty of the highest order.
I must ask, what happened to the protection the Hammond family did not receive? Where were you when a foreign entity not having any constitutional power, authority and jurisdiction within your county abused your citizens? Imprisoned them, restricted them from using there resources to make a living, ruining their way of life and violating their customs and culture and charging them with heavy fines. These were the people you swore before God and the people to protect. Why did you forsake them?
Have you taken sides with the Feds? Are you scared to do your duty? Are you ignorant to what your duties are? Are you scared of how the Feds may react if you actually perform your sworn duties? I would really like to know what your excuse is for not honoring your oath of office as Sheriff of Harney County.
In the wake of your abstanance you now have some very important decisions that need to be made very soon. It should not be a hard decision understanding your purpose of existence as stated in the oath you have taken. The choice is simple, A. to turn a blind eye against your people and continue to collaborate with the Feds, pushing their agenda to remain in power and control over the people and their resources and to continue participating with fear mongering tactics such as shutting down schools etc. and now participating in the new growing threat of violence by the Feds toward peaceful protesters. or B. Re-commit yourself to uphold and perform your duties to We The People of Harney County and utilize the protesters that have come to your peoples assistance and say simply, no to the Feds and rid your county of their presence and tyranny that they have spread across your County.
Understand that the protesters have peacefully assembled only to support you and your people who are and have been oppressed by Federal over reach. Understand that their assembly is a constitutional right and act. Understand that they do not intend any harm to anyone, they sincerely want to restore the rights, land and resources that belong to the people of Harney County who have pre-emptive rights to them and non other, especially any federal Corporation. Understand that Constitutionally it is impossible for the federal government to own or manage land outside the bounds and terms stated in art. 1 sec. 8 par.17 of the U.S. Constitution. Remember that governments were instituted among men & women for the security of the rights of the people and that when governments begin to abuse those rights and fail to secure them, it is up to non other than the people themselves to uphold those rights, it is their right, it is their duty to dispose of the tyrannical government infringing upon those rights. (see the Declaration of independence.)
This sheriff is why citizens all across this nation assemble at times for regress of grievance for the respective oppression to cease. For this reason the protesters have come to your county. They have come hoping for your blessing and support and to support you in the changes you will need to make. Remember that you have the authority to promote a positive and forthright outcome working with the people to create liberty and prosperity in your county. However you also have the ability to exercise your individual agency and abuse your office and power given you to continue your lawlessness. If you continue in this direction, I’m afraid you may have blood on your hands.
Sheriff, I respect the office that you hold and the awesome responsibilities that are your’s and pray that you may be given the strength to say simply no to the feds, rid them of your county, give back the lands and resources to the people whom they were taken from and ultimately restore prosperity and liberty in your county. I know that would be the right thing to do, I believe as a steward with the accountability to the people, God will be pleased with and uphold you.
I do not reside in Oregon but can be available at your request to help you in any way I can to restore the rights of the people of Harney County. Sincerely, your supporter.
Dave Bundy
Concerned American
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Watching Trevor Noah yields some interesting stuff all right. His facts people really dig into things, and in this case came up with a book; "Where Land and Water Meet - A Western Landscape Transformed" written by Nancy Langston. Basically, her book is about management and mismanagement of water resources in and around the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which was originally established in 1908.
Why is the Militia is there? Because the Federal Government just took the land from over 100 hard working families/ranches and incorporated these properties into already existing wildlife refuge. However, according to Langston's book, the gov bought the land from failing ranches in the 1930's and early 40's. Apparently the combination of drought and the depression had been hard on this area, and the federal government was hot to add to the ccc projects already active within the existing wildlife refuge boundaries.
So at this point I cannot verify Bundy's claim, and given that the local townspeople generally do NOT want these people around, I call bullshit on them. If they have a legit bone to pick with the gov, they need to bring that bone out into public view. Right now I'm not seeing it.
As to the two ranchers who are going away for 5 years....I know it's the law, but stupid in my opinion. They should (as well as pay the fine) do years of public service; such as educating others on how to properly manage invasive species in their area. We shouldn't be spending money to incarcerate them.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Because the Federal Government just took the land from over 100 hard working families/ranches and incorporated these properties into already existing wildlife refuge.
So, basically, the claim is that 60 years after stealing the land from the Paiutes, the guberment turned around and stole it from the people they'd originally stolen it for. Bummer, but if it were going to be turned over to anyone - in deed or in management capacity - it should be to the Paiutes, not 'locals'.
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couchmaster
climber
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Of course the government has plants there: "Now throughout the situation Payne made repeated threats to law enforcement on NATIONAL media. There’s VIDEO of him doing this..its not hard to find. Yet oddly enough with all that evidence he was never charged with anything during or after the standoff. Does that seem ODD to anyone but me? (not if you’re a paid provocateur)"
They do it all the time. Remember the 2 guys inciting violence and egging on the occupy movement folks? It wasn't that long ago. Turns out....several occupies challenged 2 aggressive occupy guys and as the photo shows below guy on the ground had pulled off the cops hood and the 2 cops all but outed themselves. The interesting part, was that by all eyewitness accounts, they were the most aggressive/violent of the group, loudly calling for attacks and violence: and it was a large group.
Do some research, it's a common thing.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The Occupy Movement was / is big enough for the odd plant or two. These clowns - too small, too incestuous, and it would be of little value.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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This is how the BLM and Dept of Interior handled elderly unarmed Shoshones refusing to cede their treaty rights to ancestral lands.
The Dann sisters were attacked and detained numerous times over several decades sometimes with police and sometimes by mob and constantly monitored. Their horses and cattle were driven off to die of starvation. The Danns were not millionaires like the Bundys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Dann_and_Carrie_Dann
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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The feds stole the land from 100 hard working people?
What about the Paiute reservation that was reduced from 1.5 million acres to 760 acres.
Talk about historic ownership and broken promises!
Team Cowliphate needs to get on the right bus!!
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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They just need to do an emergency Burning Man gathering. It would be incredibly entertaining and resolve most of the issues.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Of course there are plants at the location. How else you gonna feed the cows?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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By [that] definition then most Fox News watchers and commenters are guilty of Treason.
And your point is???
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Where were you when a foreign entity not having any constitutional power, authority and jurisdiction within your county abused your citizens?
F*#k these people. How inbreed are they? Wouldn't surprise me if the Bundy kids f*#ked their own mother.
As un-american as it gets. the pieces of sh#t better serve long jail time.
This doesn't need to end violently but why does part of me wish it would?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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These nutjobs have taken over a remote frigid federal building and are making a national appeal for all the other nutjobs to come and join them, like some kind of reverse GETMO that rounds itself up.
Win/win.
I've been saying the same thing ad nauseum. It's not only self-arresting, it's self-sustaining. What's not to like?
I must admit that I have been critical of the publicity the idiots are generating, but I wasn't thinking clearly. The publicity draws future inmates.
Brilliant!
John
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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This thread stinks like an USFS outhouse in a heatwave. Please control the voluminous discharge from your over active spincters.
Give it a break and you'll do your small part in the disappearance of the Malheur morons.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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It was mentioned upthread that Ammon Bundy claims to be real-tight with God. Here's a quote that ought to scare any but the most crankaloon among us.
"I clearly understood that the Lord was not pleased with what was happening to the Hammonds," Ammon said. "It was exactly like it was happening at the Bundy ranch, when we were guided and directed as to what we were supposed to do ... And I ask you now to come participate in this wonderful thing in Harney County that the Lord is about to accomplish."
I always find it scary when a terrorist claims that God talks with him.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/ammon_bundy_his_history_and_a.html
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Lot's of people claim to speak with their imaginary friends. So what? There's this dude in a funny pointy hat over in Italy who claims to have a direct line. And people give him billions.
Actions are what matter. I haven't seen much action from the campers. They seem pretty short on ideas too. There's plenty of truly heinous gov't actions they could be protesting but they chose to winter camp in an abandoned bird sanctuary. There's the trespassing thing sure... as long as they pick up their trash when they leave, who gives a f#$#$..?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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What about the pagan compound in choss creek where the inhabitants worship the inukshuk..?
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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I always find it scary when a terrorist claims that God talks with him.
allahu akbar!
The knuckleheads at Malheur have a lot in common with other terrorist organizations.
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