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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 16, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Nov 16, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
"ABM system in place might be the most cost effective measure."...
We already have one...
Here>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^
FIFY.... you Gloden Frie Muncher you, LOcker.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
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Can you two just oust Crack Annie from the Circle K dumpster and build your nookie nest awready?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
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I think what he was suggesting is that they might foist a final solution on themselves.
I don't think the rest of the world will be that fortunate.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:21pm PT
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I'll add to the Lynne Law posted above with a law I posted many years ago:
"Throwing around words that impact people like they are a speck in the wind is not appropriate. Words are powerful."
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:22pm PT
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Jim, there are many elements in the region that want to bring on the apocalyptic prophesy. I'm saying let them have it, but only amongst themselves. If the vast majority of the population of the affected countries are the peaceful moderates, as they are often portrayed, then they will defend themselves from the the supposed small minority. Kill or be killed. Solve their own problem. All the civilized world has to do is use their superior technology to totally cut off the region. Repatriate the immigrants, then absolutely nothing in and nothing out. Less civilized blood and treasure expended.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
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+1 Lynn
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
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Not easy Crank, but considering their zeal in treating our infidel and apostate lives as "specks in the wind", increasingly necessary.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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Nice, insightful comments Lyne and Crimper.
At the risk of interfering with the name calling and know-it-all ism, I have a serious question and comment.
First, it appears that these attackers were "Islamic terrorists," they were acting in the "name" of Islam (perversions of it really), and they fully intended to die in their acts ("suicide bombers/attackers").
Second, can we, by any means, deter Islamic suicide bombers/attackers? Seriously, can we dissuade people from making such attacks?
Third, if we cannot deter such attacks, can we punish the attackers for their barbarity, for acting outside all codes of morality?
I question whether we can deter. And how does one "punish" someone who is dead?
As I have thought about these questions these last three days, one small idea has come to me. An idea that might (deep, deep maybe) dissuade some, and might be a worthy punishment (for whatever good punishment will do now).
I feel like it would be totally legitimate to find whatever body parts are left of each of these barbaric and perverted "attackers." And then to take all of what's left of each and bury it. In one grave. With a pig. For ever and all time with a pig.
This idea may not be politically correct (I don't really give a rat's ass about PC, but PC might affect whether it would actually ever be done). But why not? They don't deserve any respect. They've forfeited any human concern or kindness that they had coming to them. They deserve to have their memories and their "beliefs" despoiled and their hopes for an afterlife taken from them. Utterly taken from them. If they really do "believe," being buried in this fashion would be a just and appropriate end.
They took everything from people who are actually innocent. They deserve whatever we can think of that comes close to dealing them the same fate.
End of thought.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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I would hope we all take exception to the idea that this will be, or is, easy. These people are the face of evil, as the president said today.
Rick, I agree they have no regard for our lives. But other nations need to step up. Some are. "Boots" on the ground are my kid, your kid.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:52pm PT
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they were acting in the "name" of Islam (perversions of it really), Not a perversion,
A literal and historically accurate interpretation thereof.
That's the "fundamental" problem.
Unless there's a radical transformation/reformation of the religion things will not permanently change, just a reversion to the periodic bloodbaths that have been going on since a warlord gave the cover of religion to his depredation of his neighbors caravans.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
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Crimpergirl, I wish people like you would run for office. Though being reasonable, fair and honest and not bought by the Big Corporations might make it hard for you to be elected. But if you go for it I know many of us would work hard to make it happen.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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I don't have your answer, Jim, nor am I managing anyone. Just expressing an opinion, like you.
This is a cunning enemy hiding in civilian neighborhoods, maybe yours. They use our military misadventures to recruit new members. They are social media savvy.
We have stopped many plots, killed many of their leaders. Not enough. A person bent on murder and suicide is hard to stop. In Paris or American schools.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
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Not a perversion,
A literal and historically accurate interpretation thereof.
That's the "fundamental" problem.
Yeah, TGT, it's fun to think that at first. Just like it's fun to think about "nuking them all" and ending the problem the way American's love to end problems. With a quick, easy and certain solution.
But, like Christianity, Islam isn't that easy. Yes, one interpretation is as you say. And our "allies" have encouraged and allowed that hateful version of Islam to be hammered into people's heads for way too long.
And my blood boils when "those people" cheer the deaths of innocent's.
But painting one religion into a corner like that is simplistic and dumb. And, when I can get past the emotion, I don't buy it.
Keep in mind please that my post above discussed the actual perpetrators here, the criminals (the barbaric, mindless, brainwashed drones maybe). I'm trying to focus in only on them on them for a moment.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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"Boots" on the ground are my kid, your kid.
She was someone's KID just enjoying her Friday evening in Paris...
As were these other "Kids" enjoying their music in a Paris Concert Hall...
Pray that you KID is not a victim of these ruthless azzholes in Tahoe, Crankstar. It can happen and DO NOT even think it can't.
the criminals
Ah, they consider themselves "Warrior's of Islam". Sorry, "Criminals" DO NOT blow themselves up for the sake of their God.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
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Learn to read "The Chief."
Criminals was one word in the middle of several.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
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I actually like what crankster has been saying of late.
I had a discussion about ISIS with a friend today. We agreed that ISIS is more like a gang of thugs that has no reverence for religion(Islam).
Edit: the Shia/Sunni conflict may have been around for hundreds of years, but there is no doubt that bush created a venue for the conflict to expand.
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philo
climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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DAESH: THE MEANING BEHIND THE ISIS OR ISIL NICKNAME THAT THE ISLAMIC STATE HATES
JANUARY 17, 2015
Patrick Frye
While everyone has heard of the Islamic State being referred to as either ISIS or ISIL, there is a new nickname called “DAESH” gaining prominence in recent months… and the Muslim terrorist group hates it.
In a related report by the Inquisitr, singer Pat Boone called President Obama a “traitor” for his handling of international affairs. It’s also been reported that Algeria may have warned France a day before the Paris terrorist attacks began.
The reason the Islamic State gave themselves this name is due to their commitment to establishing an Islamic caliphate over the entire world, starting with countries in the Middle East. Since they are a terrorist group, and not a state, the term DAESH has started to become popular since it’s believed using the other terminology indirectly legitimizes them.
DAESH derives from the Arabic name with which they refer to themselves, “al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi Iraq wa al-Sham.” This new “loose” acronym, pronounced “Die-esh,” is already starting to be used by the heads of governments, although much of the media has not yet caught on.
For example, Australia’s prime minister Tony Abbott prefers DAESH because the Muslims terrorists hate the term and “what they don’t like has an instinctive appeal to me.”
“I absolutely refuse to refer to it by the title that it claims for itself (Islamic State), because I think this is a perversion of religion and a travesty of governance,” Mr. Abbott said, according to the Telegraph. “I’ve never used that term and I would strongly counsel people against ever using the presumptuous title that they have given themselves … Daesh hates being referred to by this term, and what they don’t like has an instinctive appeal to me…. Given that the fight begins in Iraq and Syria, we probably should refer to this organisation by the term that is most used by its opponents in those countries – that is, Daesh.”
Even before the Paris terrorist attacks occurred, the French government had switched over to DAESH.
“This is a terrorist group and not a state. I do not recommend using the term Islamic State because it blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists,” France’s Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement. “The Arabs call it ‘Daesh’ and I will be calling them the ‘Daesh cutthroats.'”
The reason DAESH hates being called DAESH is because it’s similar to the verb Daes, which means “one who crushes something underfoot. It also sounds similar to Dahes, or “one who sows discord.” Needless to say, from now on, this reporter will be filling articles with a DAESH of this, and a DAESH of that, when writing reports on the terrorists formerly known as the Islamic State.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1762507/daesh-the-meaning-behind-the-isis-or-isil-nickname-that-the-islamic-state-hates/#l6Yb3Q6S4yCLFVSS.99
I will only referring to them as Daesh.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:45pm PT
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But painting one religion into a corner like that is simplistic and dumb. And, when I can get past the emotion, I don't buy it.
It's not simplistic, but without at least a cursory reading and basic understanding of an ideology's founding documents and history you can't begin to formulate a plan for dealing with it.
Mein Kampf, Lenin or Mao's tomes and the Koran and the Hadiths, you don't need to be an expert scholar on them, just have a passing familiarity to predict what's in store.
No other major worldwide religion makes subjugation or annihilation of the non believer a core principal like Islam.
Time to quit being politically correct about this and call it what it is. Saying it's just like all of the other religions is what's simplistic.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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I will only referring to them as Daesh.
I've read, they will cut out your tongue for saying it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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