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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jan 10, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
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Alright, so after 731 posts we have graniteclimber speculating their story is true and Riley speculating it may be false. Anyone else want to pull an opinion out of their ass based on some internet posts by unknown authors?
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Jan 10, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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I think maybe you are the only one on this thread who hasn't atch.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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i don't understand why people are bagging on the climbers for having nano puffs. they're a great piece to have. tons of people have them. you can find screaming deals on those jackets if you keep your eyes open.
it isn't that they aren't awesome, in fact they are TOO awesome, so much so they attract zombies.
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drewsky
climber
Seattle
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Jan 10, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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Well, I reasoned earlier that we don't have enough info to call their story entirely true or entirely false. I still think that the true story will fall somewhere in the middle and that the Americanos' account isn't entirely factual but neither is it an elaborate hoax. If more proof surfaces that weights the argument in favor of one or the other, all the better.
More interesting to me was the condemnation of the fundraising efforts. There were a large number of posts from an assumed moral high ground, wherein the authors of said posts proclaimed that they would never stoop so low as attempting to recoup material items via the internet. Kind of a 'real men never ask for handouts' attitude. That's well and good and it's definitely a conundrum that people apparently focus so much on monetary loss (although again we don't know if this is the primary concern of the characters in this saga; we can only speculate) as opposed to being, in this case, lucky to escape with the worst damage being a few missing teeth.
We still need a few pieces of the puzzle for these opinions (including my own, obviously) to mount to anything but speculation.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 10, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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Alright, so after 731 posts we have graniteclimber speculating their story is true and Riley speculating it may be false.
No I did not say that. I don't know what happened. All I'm saying is that if you take their story at face value, it's not as unbelievable as some have suggested.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 10, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
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i don't understand why people are bagging on the climbers for having nano puffs. they're a great piece to have. tons of people have them. you can find screaming deals on those jackets if you keep your eyes open. I only recently have been able to afford a "Nano Puff" so I can't say, however, I work my frikkan ass off, own my own business, am pretty old now, live in a nice home that I own, and my kids are though college with no debt: so I finally frikkan deserve one. Clearly these kids feel they are there now. Congrats. Plus the puffs don't need to be replaced like the $4,000 laptop with a $5,000 laptop and the Puffs beat Goodwill wool castoffs.
"I was seriously considering making a donation to help these hapless adventurers replenish their stock of expensive toys, but then I remembered that I'm still making do with my old iPhone 4 with a screen that's been shattered for over 3 months... " I never considered it. Damn dude, I feel horrible now. (Knott)
You only have an iphone 4 AND the screen is cracked? Damn, that's harsh. You may need both a Crowdtilter™ fundraiser and an Enematilter™ combo platter to get you out of this horrible first world funk:-) .
Seriously, thanks for the reminder and the reality check:-)
Sorry man.
Oh, there were 2 funding sources to help these folks. Facebook is still open for funding replacement ipads, iphones, itrucks, nano puffs: have at it.
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vininja
Social climber
NJ
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Jan 10, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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These travelers (Joseph Palmer Wolfrom, Meghan Moore Doherty, Jennifer Lynne Wolfrom) obviously did not do their homework on traveling outside the USA or to South America. At some point in their lives they will have to accept some responsibility for the mob beating that they got.
I am surprised that they made it so far without other hurdles/incidents.
They openly flaunt poor "camping" decisions in foreign country's.
Self proclaimed PIRATES!! Did they really need to steal wireless internet in a poor country?!?!
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Jan 11, 2013 - 12:22am PT
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I know Im still young and all, but I tend to believe whatever anyone tells me. So until there is proof that these people lied, Ill just have to take their word. I remember my dad talking about some guys who had freed some El Capitan route when I was a kid. He was saying, "like hell they did".
I remember thinking why would they lie? Maybe im a sucker. Maybe Ill change when I grow some facial hair.
Glad they are out of Peru and back home.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 11, 2013 - 02:13am PT
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This piece of sh#t thread is still going?
They were clueless travelers who fuked up, blamed the natives, and then asked everyone else to cover their losses. End of fuking story.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 11:01am PT
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it seems to be going towards bashing an extended travel, dirtbag lifestyle. like questioning why they would steal wifi from a hotel. they saved up and went on a a long trip. if you haven't done it yet, you should.
lets say they had about $20 to spend a day like i do. sure they are privileged compared to natives, but they still are living on $20 a day. I am in this place myself, living out a van, writing to you from a starbucks where i am using their wifi and just had 'whore-bath' in their sink.
promoting your trip to get a pimp camper for your beater mid-90s toyota is brilliant. i should think about doing something like this myself. i'll probably have to find a cute chica though, nobody wants male dirtbag scruffiness posted on their site to promote their product.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 11, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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mechrist +1 ^^^
oops, my bad, says Patrick Compton. Yeah I think so. Go cuddle your three friends after they finish their SA trip.
I smelt shite from the beginning and I still smell it.
And yes, this story will roll, there will be a book deal and movie/TV movie deal. You can bet on it.
Okay, maybe they messed up a situation, but why should they benefit from their mistakes? And benefitting they are and will milk it to the utmost.
I still want to hear the villagers' side of the story.
Riley Wyna, your recent posts seem more level headed, before you and I (and others) had more knee-jerk posts, mainly because of the BS surrounding the story.
I still smell manure in the three's story.That's not saying I do/do not think they were attacked, but I wonder...
...and Americans love stories like this, it sells books and movies. Just wait and see. I am 99.9% sure of that (nothing in life is 100% sure). They will have their day under the sun. And the villagers? Who gives a sh*t about them. Not many posters on this thread, apparently. And by the posts, I do not have to point out those dear people who have empathy with the three "world" travelers.
BS, plain and simple. If they held their hands up and said, mea culpa, okay, but it is not going to happen... not on Oprah, Good Morning America or the Today Show. They will portray themselves as the victims. And the villagers? Savages and animals.
And the three will lap up the attention and what shillings it puts into their bank accounts.
This whole thing makes me sick.
There are far more people in this world that deserve our sympathy (and money), some even on the Taco Stand, than these three arse wipes.
And the climbing pix on their blog, how do we know it is them, pretty nebulous. So I hold up a grigri in a photo, heck I could hold up an ice axe and say I climbed Everest.
Folks, apologies, if needed, but I just do not buy the three's story, not in its entirety, at least.
Something is strange with this whole scenario.
Maybe it is just the cynic in me but..
I am an optimist, not a cynic.
From a distant relative (Samuel Langhorne Clements, aka Mark Twain)
“Optimist: day-dreamer more elegantly spelled.”
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 11, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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Did they really need to steal wireless internet in a poor country?!?!
Why does anyone think they were "stealing" internet? Did they hack the hotel or something? (Not likely with those three.)
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 11, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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Dear DMT, you can see I have not posted on this topic the past few days. Invest my emotions? Yeah, darn right, I have better things to do, yet...
Dingus, I don't know, but this story just rankles me for some reason.
Jennie had a wobbly today down in the village. Embarrassing and very awkward for me (I am still on a learning curve) and one gal stopped to see if she could help, and Jennie made me out to be the bad guy. I finally got her home and calmed down. She is fine now, doesn't remember anything - dementia sucks. The public health nurse, John, says not to worry, these things will happen, considering Jen's medical condition. Easy for him to say, but then, he has been a huge help to us, and he just completed an intense course in dementia, so I take his advice very seriously.
And yet, the BS I smell from these three "intrepid" travelers, just bugs me. Bogus, probably not and yet. And in my first post on this thread, I did say that the truth probably lies somewhere between what the three claim and what really happened.
What else can I say?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 11, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
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Dingus, let's make a deal. If I get back to Cali, and I have the time and you have the time, you can lead the first pitch (Broad Dome, Atlantis Wall?) off the water at Donnell's Reservoir and then we can swing leads.
And if we run into any Miwok natives (I took two courses on the Miwoks at Columbia College), I will offer them loads of acorns so they will not beat the shite out of us, ala Peru
BTW, as part of one of my Miwok courses, I had to make an acorn mash using the stone pestle in the rock at the re-created Miwok Village at Columbia College. Yeck. Bland. No wonder they traded acorns for salt from Mono Lake with the Paiutes. That acorn mash could use a lot of salt for my tasting.
And pepper and perhaps tabasco. ;-)
And mushrooms might add a bit of flavor too.
And for those who may want to know, California had more native American (indigenous) tribes of different cultures (mainly hunter-gatherers) than any other place in North America. And for the most part, they did not war with each other, perhaps because of the abundance of natural resources that California had to offer, unlike the plains etc.
Okay the Modocs in northern California and the Yumas in southern California were a bit belligerent, especially to 'Europeans', not to say the Yosemite Miwok did not find it easy with the settlers. But overall, pre-European, the tribes in California got along with one another (yeah, I also did a course at Columbia on Californian tribes, and a course on Northern American tribes. The archaeology/anthropology professor, Blaine Rogers, was very tuned into these subjects.)
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Jan 11, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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Americans drinking and having fun in the middle of war zone
The minute you leave US of A, the war begins with you been the enemy
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 11, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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they saved up and went on a a long trip. if you haven't done it yet, you should.
I lived in a van for the better part of 3 years and a truck for months at a time before that, I know all about it. I ALWAYS dropped at least the $2 for a cup of coffee if I was going to spend the whole day using their internet. And YES, I ALWAYS left the public restrooms cleaner than I found them after I washed my hair/etc. The dirtbag fukheads in Bishop/etc who trash the public restrooms should be heavily ostracized by the climbing community. It makes me sick when I see how they treat the businesses around there... worse than 13 year old skaters at the mall.
One time near Sonora CA I was really tired, saw a dirt road, drove down it about 45 min until I found a tiny pull out and camped. I got woken up by a beat up old truck idling next to me. The crusty old man was staring me down hard, he was not happy that I was there but he didn't say a word, he just stared. I could have been all "what's up? Can I help you? I can camp here, right?" But instead I commented on how beautiful the area was. He said it was nice out there because there WEREN'T USUALLY PEOPLE AROUND, emphasis his. I apologized for being so close to his property, complimented him on his beautiful property again, and told him I would be on my way. He stared at me a bit more and then said, "no hurry, enjoy your breakfast it is a beautiful morning." I like to think he actually smiled a bit.
Point being... when you are traveling, don't act like you are entitled to anything. Be cool, be respectful, and remember YOU are the intruder. And above all, if your sh#t gets jacked, don't ask others to replace it.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 11, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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Cops tell us war stories and apologize for pulling us over.
This is really funny because something similar happen in Vegas. I got pulled over for doing 75 in a 60. I blamed it on the rental car... he asked where we were from... what we do in Tahoe. I told him we were going on a nature walk, to kind of check out the ecology. He told me to go back to his car with him... he pulled out a MAP. He gave us detailed directions to a nature preserve with a nice little canyon with beautifully water sculpted limestone walls (only 5' tall). Then he bid us farewell and sent us on our way... told us to slow down "because driving faster uses more gas, which you Tahoe ecology types should appreciate, and it is the LAW."
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 11, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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mechrist, +1 ^^^
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 11, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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Jebus, I am beginning to wonder about you...
This thread seems to be turning into a "what if" thread.
Common sene. My mom taught me that. I wonder if the three so-called heroes (a term used on a couple of websites now) used their common sense. Two beers among three people to celebrate a birthday? Come on, let's be real. Only two beers. Poor souls must have been broke to only afford two beers.
I don't know what went down, but it sounds like these people were real idiots. I guess it is easy from my "armchair" to surmise that, and I am sure there are enough posters who sympathize with these people and call me insensitive, or worse.
But goddamn it, I want to hear the other side. Sure the local newspapers report what they want. I have worked on local rags to national titles, and what gets told is down to the editor. FACT. And when I write FACT, I goddamn know what I am talking about.
There is manure in the three's story, I'd bet my left... my left... left...corndog on it.
If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck... then it is probably a duck.
We all are sitting here pontificating. But I would bet my corndog these three will have their limelight on national TV, and probably some sort of book/TV/movie deal. Even somebody on Mountain Project posited that.
And if they do, and the other side of the story is not told, hey, big deal, it is America. So for those shedding tears for these three, just think, they are going to make out for the better than any of us. You can bet on that.
Why do I keep this subject up? Because I am super sceptical and I just know these three will get away with it. That's my gut feeling...
If they are fake or even part of the story is fake, they should be outed.
And I do not give a damn what Werner or other well-travelled people think (sorry Werner, but you did row in on this), I smell llama manure.
Where's my corndog?
EDIT
A good journalist/researcher someday will find out the truth, and I will bet what's left of my corndog, that these three will be shown up for what they are. Chancers.
But these three will be laughing to the bank.
Gosh darn it, they give American travellers a bad name. Not that they are alone in that.
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