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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:59am PT
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WB, i have just been kidding about the yuppie/dirtbag thing. kind of rubbing it in cuz most people are individuals, don't adhere to labels. everyone got hung up on it over on that other thread. at most, it is just a frame of mind that one might see some resemblance to or superficially relate to in a small way somehow. but basically, there as many variations as there are people, imo!
edit: i wud want the fruit of his spirit! because he wud be giving his heart. he wud want to give the best to God. The other wud give it out of pride (look what id did) i am giving you this.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:01am PT
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" Explain why two people of the same moral standards achieve different results "
Easy; Starts from the heart. Look at Cain and Abel. Both were bringing their offering to
The Lord. One brought the fruit of his hands, the other the fruit of his spirit. If U were God which would U want?
Read Genesis 4 to find out what happens....
Jus Explain'in
BB
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:06am PT
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I do not like the atheist life.
To limiting.
I prefer the all of the above life.
My mind is not limited to one or the other
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Sep 18, 2012 - 02:13am PT
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The reason people swear by "knowledge" over faith is pride. And pride is the #1 downfall of man.
Quick definitions from Google:
knowl·edge/ˈnälij/
Noun:
Information and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
What is known in a particular field or in total; facts and information.
faith/fāTH/
Noun:
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
pride/prīd/
Noun:
A feeling of pleasure from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is associated, or from qualities or possessio...
Verb:
Be especially proud of a particular quality or skill.
Synonyms:
noun. arrogance - haughtiness - vanity - conceit
verb. glory - boast
How is your faith, gained from personal experience or taught to you by others, any less prideful than the knowledge personally gained by others or passed down by others? I come to my understanding of the world by my immediate experience in it and by the verifiable (scientifically explainable and able to be reproduced) experience of others. Though I don't believe and I don't have it I respect your right to believe in your faith just as I respect the rights of any other to believe in their faith.
The reason people swear by "knowledge" over faith is pride.
Do yo believe that anyone without faith in your god is suffering from pride? And how do you come up with "pride is the #1 downfall of man."?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 18, 2012 - 11:52am PT
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MissJ
You don't have a good brain.
Khanom specifically said in his original post of this thread (reread below).
Please let others tell their story, hold your reactions, criticize on other threads and let the Atheists, or whatever lack of blind faith they may have post here, be proud of who they are being for a moment.
I have many christian friends. I like them and they like me. We respect each other and our own beliefs. I also have friends who have other religious beliefs, and all that is just fine by me.
But as an atheist I feel compelled to request equal time and consideration. I'm tired of feeling like I live in a country that automatically condemns anyone who doesn't have "faith" as somehow abnormal.
They will attack you for being here. They asked you to keep your religious comments out of here and post them in the other thread.
What the hell do expect????
If I go into the hell's angels bike bar and tell em a bunch of stuff that pisses em off how long do you think I'll last before they put me thru the blender and feed the juice to the pigs.
So quit yer whining and suck it up unless you have the actual goods.
Internet forum here won't do it.
Atheist and theist have been since the very beginning of time began and is not ever going away.
So if you want to battle then fight like a true warrior and quit yer whining ......
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BurnRockBurn
climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
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^^^^^^^^ thank you. ^^^^^^^
Longest post I think I've seen from you
Shawn
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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I thought I had spiritual experiences, like everyone else
Dr. F., you're having spiritual experiences every second of your life.
Know god...no, you have FAITH that there is a god. I'll take knowledge over faith every time.
Donini, everything that "you know" is a belief, save one--your existence.
What if the Atheist[s] find out they are wrong?
Ed, the only ones who are not wrong are those who do not try to be right.
One must explain why two persons of the same moral standard achieve different results.
One mustn't, Werner. There are not two of any. It just seems that way. Everything's perfect. How could reality be flawed or separate or different? It's just one and the only fact.
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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I like the atheist life.
I like the religious life.
I like the retired life.
I like the agnostic life.
I like the solipsist life.
I like the scientist life.
I like the climber's life.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
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Now Miss J, you're trying to drag gender into the argument?
No where did Werner say you shouldn't make an argument because you were a woman. Then you really muddy the waters by saying you'll be more accepted into a biker's bar than he will. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim gender discrimination and then flaunt your sexuality. From one woman to another, it's hypocritical and annoying.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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There are none so blind as those who will not see. I couldn't have said it (sarcastically) better myself.
People who live a life based on science, known facts, verified experiences, have a very clear vision of existence. Certainly there are many things that are yet unknown. This is the intriguing mystery of science. This is what drives exploration of all frontiers, including psychology and philosophy.
The atheist (not capitalized) simply understands that there is no Magic Being, most particularly, there is no Magic Being whose existence would be contrary to known facts and established principles.
There is plenty of unknown. For atheists, that is part of the beauty and wonder of existence.
Atheists don't deny the intangible aspects of human psychology: wonder, joy, grief, mystery, beauty, love, hate. Those intangibles that form the human spirit, our soul. The human spirit is a marvelous and wonderful thing, mostly of beauty, occasionally of wickedness. We don't need to believe in ancient myths and stories to understand what we know and don't know, nor to appreciate the breadth and depth of human existence. We do know that many of these myths and legends explore the depths of the human soul. Our eyes are wide open.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely So I should feel blessed!
amen
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
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I'm quite sure WBraun, that the grand server of life has laid down two rules in your spirit, and the strongest one is not "everything is connected" but "every man for himself". I guess that's what you call "a huge boner and hard on". Are you a proud man?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 18, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
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HighTraverse -- "Those intangibles that form the human spirit, our soul."
So you saying there is the individual soul.
Modern material science has not accepted nor confirmed the existence of the individual soul.
Yet you say:
"People who live a life based on science, known facts, verified experiences, have a very clear vision of existence."
Am I "seeing" your response wrong?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 18, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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Verily it warms my heart to see...
(1) ever more people drawing the important distinction between (a) respecting the right to believe (or respecting the right to express belief) and (b) respecting the belief.
(2) ever more people drawing the important distinction between (a) general faith and (b) religious faith or Christian faith.
Progress!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
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Werner
The human soul as I understand it, is metaphysical. That aggregation of emotion, motivation, and morals that each of us possesses. It is unique to each individual and is one of the manifestations of our existence. It's part of our mental existence, it dies with each of us. It's very likely that most "higher" animals also have a soul in that meaning. One of the mysteries of science that I believe (don't know) we'll unravel in the future.
I'd LOVE to know the soul of my companion dog.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
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“Those of us who write and study history are accustomed to its approximations and ambiguities. This is why we do not take literally the tenth-hand reports of frightened and illiterate peasants who claim to have seen miracles or to have had encounters with messiahs and prophets and redeemers who were, like them, mere humans. And this is also why we will never submit to dictation from those who display a fanatical belief in certainty and revelation.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 18, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
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I just hope I live to see the day that churches are not accorded non-profit
tax status. Has the GAO ever totted up the guvmint's lost taxes on that
scam? It's gotta be near a $trillion.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Sep 18, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
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Christians talk about being persecuted but they have a heinous, murderous history of persecuting others.
Google - Inquisition - for 600 years of really brutal christian butchery.
Here's a good link:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm
"Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity."
 Pope Innocent III
And after the Catholic Inquisition, the Protestants used their own Inquisitions to establish their own churches, (they murdered and tortured the Catholics and other opponents).
There's about 2000 years of Christians murdering and torturing people. And thousands of years before that of the Jews reign of murder and genocide. None of which has Christendom or Judaism repented. The supposed 100% true, pure word of god that promoted such murderous butchery is still there in the bible, the torah and the talmud.
Read the entire chapter of Numbers 31. The sacrifice of 64 virgin girls to their god was especially murderous.("the lord's tribute" = burnt sacrifice)
Deuteronomy 2:32-37, 3:1-7, 20:12-20,
Joshua 11:6-23, 12:1-24.
Check out this link for many more evil verses from the bible:
http://www.evilbible.com/
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 18, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
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Do U think if I shoot Obama I in the name of Christianity that I was a Christian ?
Do U really think Jesus would have my back?
I find it amusing when people talk shite about something when they havnt a clue. I find it sad when people talk shite about Jesus when they don't even know him.
SERIOUSLY
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