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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Apr 30, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
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Todd that is correct. The whole show must be moved south of Shannon falls to eliminate impact on the Chief parking and recreation
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Praise the Lord we don't go around in circles on this site!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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No, but gondolas do.
With regard to the full story of what happened between TLC and the developers, we may never know. TLC's statement isn't that long. It seems in a somewhat awkward spot, and hopefully is doing what it can to retrieve the situation.
TLC did good work at the upper Malemute and Skaha, to the benefit of the climbing community. Still, what's happened is rather disappointing.
Todd has it right - the real issues are removal of land from parks, and the process for doing so. The importance of conservation covenants, and governments respecting their intent, too.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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I thought the buttons were trade for coming up with the answer for how they will get power to the top of the hill?
What did trevy say about that?
Or no power up there, closes at dusk?
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Anders, you need to accept the simple fact that TLC sold them the property knowing perfectly well a gondola was going in. They (TLC) just made them promise, by way of a covenant, not to run it up the Chief or terminate it in the Park.
Remember a few hundred posts ago, when Bruce K nominated me for "master of the obvious"
I think you need to be O.K. with the fact that there are a lot of people out there, even land protection agencies, who don't always see things your way.
Moving on. Next complaint.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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I'm aware you guys skim over my posts rather quickly, probably because I'm lacking the big, cool words. Reverse a little and read post #788.
I'll go buy a thesaurus when I get a chance... then I can start writing catchy stuff, like "ipso facto".
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Reverse a little and read post #788.
Okay, I went back and tried to read that post. But the words were all really little, so I couldn't understand it.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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So I've been told...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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TLC sold the site to a business man in Squamish with a covenant upon it to prevent the property from being used as a gondola to travel up the face of the Chief or terminating in either provincial park. Currently, another proposal has been brought forward to build a gondola from the gravel pit site and into the backcountry over and beyond the provincial parks. The proponent of this current gondola initiative is dealing with the person who purchased the site from TLC. TLC does not have a connection to this gondola proponent. It appears that the gondola project has found a way to avoid the covenant.
However, it has now come to light that they are requesting to remove some land from the Stawamus Chief and Shannon Falls Provincial Parks to allow for the gondola to be constructed. When selling the property, TLC never
anticipated that BC Parks would consider removing land from the Park to facilitate such an endeavour. The covenant that TLC placed on the land will prevent this gondola, unless BC Parks gives permission to the developer.
(Sorry, there are a few long and complicated words, but they're not mine.)
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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You mean like that windmill on Grouse that they plug in so the tourists can see it move?
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sagot
Trad climber
Vancouver
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I'm off to "Hack and Squirt" that valley just in case it goes though!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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If I eat a lot of beef, I"m a really awesome wind generator.
This thread has generated enough wind to power the gondola for a whole year.
Closing in on 1,000 posts repeating the same few points about 250 times each.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Typical contractor, you ask him one thing and you get billed for another :)
Wasnt the whole point of your email to Trevy to answer this?
they need power for the cafe and other tourist attractions. My source (definitely knowledgeable) simply said that they can't hang power lines on the gondola towers, which suggests that a separate line is needed - beside, underground, another route. It seems an interesting side-issue, though outside my knowledge.
All you really got was, we have a plug at the base and we HOPE you will still be able to at least drive to the boulder blockade.
pffft we already knew that
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Come on M.H., just because you read something in the newspaper doesn't mean it's true. You're a lawyer, you know that.
Less than three months ago,TLC sold the gravel pit to the proponents. As an integral stipulation of the sale, a covenant was registered at the same time, stating no gondola up the Chief and no terminating a gondola in the Park. Prior to this date there was no covenant on the land.
Not only did TLC have a perfectly clear idea they were selling the land to a gondola developer, they dictaded exactly where the gondola would have to go.
It seems impolite to direct your animosity toward the gondola proponents when really it's TLC that let you down.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Said the Business Owner to the Lawyer..."There's gotta be someone around here we can sue, can't we?"
Off topic, I know, but when are we going biking?
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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I guess I'll have to speak for my lawyer as I don't have one.
Next week sounds great.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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We're developing a secret crag near Seattle that requires a bike to get to. Which is okay, but it puts you at the top, not the bottom, and I'm thinking maybe a small gondola from the base of the crag to the top would make access to the start of the routes a lot better...
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Hanging out at my kid's school this afternoon, doing my usual canvassing of the local mums; one conversation had a bit of an impact.
When I asked her opinion on the proposed gondola, she said she didn't understand what the big deal was. I filled her in on the easement required from Parks and the fact that a number of people were quite upset with the "removal" of land from a Class A Park. She asked me if that was the same crowd that was removing all the beautiful moss from the cliffs close to the highway. She went on to tell me she notices every time she drives by the apron (that's my word), the rock down close to the highway is much cleaner of all the moss; she said it looks like someone has taken a pressure washer to it.
I explained the whole route-scrubbing process to her and she explained to me how long it took that moss to get established. She said she liked the mossy look a lot better than the pressure-washed look.
When I informed her the Captain of the "against" crew spends a lot of his time scrubbing moss off that slab, just higher, she said it sounded like the pot calling the kettle black. Well, she said, he really is removing land from the Park.
She didn't care if it was trees or moss, to her it was all Park.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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When I informed her the Captain of the "against" crew spends a lot of his time scrubbing moss off that slab,
I wonder who in the world he could be referring to? Jeremy? Robin? Kris? There's quite a list of likely suspects, but none is on the FOSC committee. As my 'cleaning' activities never amounted to much, and are now nearly negligible, it can't be me - indeed, I've been known to speak out against other's excesses in that regard.
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