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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 15, 2010 - 02:05pm PT
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Moore is a simplistic fool, and proof that our culture is circling the bowl.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 16, 2010 - 11:29am PT
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I certainly do not trust un-scientific poles (ok, yes polls).
MSM has many times now proven to be in bed with Corporate powers who run them, and can only voice "approved" opinions and concerns. MSM is now very biased. Some stations and newspapers are better than others.
Real journalism is now with those who are truly independent and write on their own accord and provide sources of research to validate or invalidate what they are reporting.
This is the whole idea behind JA's/Wikileaks "scientific journalism." Provide the original sources so we can tell if you are lying or not. We can read them ourselves and know the truth.
The common US public is very naive and pretty dumbed-down when it comes to most issues. They get their news from Faux News and other really bad sources.
Michael Moore is brave enough to speak the truth and then stand behind it. Those who criticise those who speak truth to power must be truly embarrased by the politicians/criminals they support, and don't want them to be exposed for who they truly are.
Yea, I get it. It will be very embarrassing for you when they are exposed for whom they truly are, since you also support them.
Yep, . . . AWKWARD.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 16, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
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Most polls are actually pretty well done.
But so what?
Most people think Baja California is a state; I doubt most people have given Wikileaks that much thought.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 16, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
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Yes, but do you understand that it is actually 2 states: Norte and Sur. Lol.
Some polls are better than others, but yes, most really do not understand the deeper issues.
Those with intelligence and whom can think for themselves do.
It would be interesting to see truly the outcome of a scientific poll with college educated democrats vs. republicans concerning the same question. Some people are just knee jerk and react only to what they were told by Faux News or other fake news organizations. And that is why corporate America wants to own MSM, so they can be mouth pieces of their propoganda.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 16, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
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I wish it was a state. Fish tacos, beautiful desert and endless beaches. Let's get the neocons on board for annexation!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 16, 2010 - 02:50pm PT
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4661778
Wikileaks did not commit a crime, House Judiciary chairman says
The chairman of the House judiciary committee defended Wikileaks on Thursday, arguing that the controversial actions of the anti-secrecy outlet are protected under free speech.
Speaking at a hearing to explore whether Wikileaks violated the Espionage Act -- which the Obama administration claims its editor-in-chief violated -- Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) said that "America was founded on the belief that speech is sacrosanct" and dismissed calls for censorship of media outlets publishing leaked documents.
"As an initial matter, there is no doubt that WikiLeaks is very unpopular right now. Many feel that the WikiLeaks publication was offensive," Conyers said, according to prepared remarks. "But being unpopular is not a crime, and publishing offensive information is not either. And the repeated calls from politicians, journalists, and other so-called experts crying out for criminal prosecutions or other extreme measures make me very uncomfortable."
The Obama administration and members of Congress from both parties have called for the prosecution of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange after the unauthorized leak of State Department cables, portraying him as a threat to national security.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/wikileaks-did-not-commit-crime-conyers
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 16, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4661789
WikiLeaks’ Assange to Continue Work After Release
Source: Bloomberg
Dec. 16 (Bloomberg) -- WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said he would continue his work and “protest my innocence” after being released from a London prison on bail today.
“During my time in a Victorian prison, I had time to reflect on the conditions of those people around the world also in solitary confinement in conditions that are more difficult than those faced by me,” Assange, 39, said outside the High Court in London today, while thanking supporters who helped him post bail. “Those people also need your attention and support.”
Assange has been in jail since Dec. 7, when the Australian turned himself in to U.K. police after Swedish authorities issued a European arrest warrant. Assange is wanted for questioning over claims of rape and molestation in Sweden.
A court ruling today upheld a Dec. 14 decision to free Assange that U.K. prosecutors had appealed. Assange’s lawyer has suggested the Swedish case is politically motivated by WikiLeaks actions. WikiLeaks has drawn condemnation for posting thousands of classified U.S. diplomatic communications and U.S. military documents, including a video of a July 2007 helicopter attack in Iraq that killed a Reuters television cameraman and his driver.
Read more: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12-16/wikileaks-assange-to-continue-work-after-release.html
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 16, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
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Goddamn, fish tacos sound good right now.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2010 - 09:22am PT
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Yes, I had heard and read small blips about it, but that is a cool article. Thanks. I hadn't seen that article.
WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Edit:
One thing though, Werner Von Braun told his personal secretary before he passed away, that TPTB would go from a global war on "terrorism" to a war on "aliens" . Maybe we are just being set-up again.
No doubt in my mind ET exists. But who they are and what they want is a whole other enchalada.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 18, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
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Congressional Hearing On Wikileaks Surprisingly Focuses More On Gov't Overly Secretive Actions | Tec
http://www.techdirt.com
Earlier today, Congress held hearings about Wikileaks and, given how the government has been reacting so far, I fully expected pure grandstanding about how "evil" Wikileaks is and how Julian Assange must be brought to justice. There was some of that, but it appears much more of it was focused on ho
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 18, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
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Gaping Holes in Airline Security: Loaded Gun Slips Past TSA Screeners
abcnews.go.com
Last fall, as he had done hundreds of times, Iranian-American businessman Farid Seif passed through security at a Houston airport and boarded an international flight. He didn't realize he had forgotten to remove the loaded snub nose "baby" Glock pistol from his computer bag. But TSA officers never n
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 18, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x536353
Veterans for Peace White House Civil Disobedience to End War
More then 100 people arrested in a Civil Disobedience at the White House protesting the continuing wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan and in Iraq. Chris Hedges extraordinarily anti-war soliloquy is inter-cut with interviews with Veterans from recent wars and with Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the top secret Pentagon Papers.
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131 folks were arrested in this demonstration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOde31QYbI0
The war-time veterans who have served are the ones who most know the futility and the waste of WAR.
I didn't serve in War-time. I'm a peace-time veteran. But I carried many caskets with the bodies of true Americans who fought for their country and served, in the Garden of Stones of Arlington National Cemetery. Doing so gives you a very good perspective on the futility and the waste of WAR.
All of these veterans no doubt support JA/Wikileaks and PFC Manning for exposing the truth.
Who among you are going to step-up and attempt to call these men and women Un-American?
They are the true Americans. They have earned the right to speak their minds and to tell our government that what they are doing is wrong.
So which of you Chicken-Hawks are going to step forward and call these War-time or peace-time "Veterans for Peace" Un-American? They support JA/Wikileaks and PFC Manning. Their actions can help stop the lies of War.
You do not go to War based on lies. War truly should only be a last resort and then only to truly protect yourself or your allies from attack or because you were attacked. Any other reason is corrupt.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 18, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
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"On what charges?"
He's a foreigner who pised off the American President.
2/3 of the population would agree that's enough to earn a trip to Gitmo.
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