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johndoeX
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NY
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Skippy,
Let us know when you wish to debate the facts and data. Until then, your attempts at character assassination are transparent, typical, and tiring.
Again, click and learn... or not, ignorance is bliss i suppose. But many others are clicking.
Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two, Flight Of American 77
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7751
Flight Of United 93 Now On Google Video, Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Three
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10228
9/11: Attack On The Pentagon - Official Release, Full Film Now Available to the Public on Google
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15054
9/11: The North Flight Path (official Release), Aerodynamically Possible - Witness Compatible
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15854
Full Film - 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, Embedded and Streaming here!
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19732
Have a good 4th Of July weekend all! (yes, you too Skippy.. :-)
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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More link spamming to his own site.
Klimmer, why don't you toss some more puffball questions to Rob Balsamo?
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Just bumping this before I head out since it got buried with all the attempts to obfuscate and character assassination due to the fact people like Monolith and Skippy cannot debate the facts.
NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"
06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.
Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".
Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:
A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow
The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?
The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.
Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:
Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career
It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.
For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.
To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.
For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".
Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/join to join.
Comments? Click here for discussion.
Follow-up recorded interview - 06/30/10
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/interviews/Dwain_Deets063010.mp3
10mb download, approx 22 mins runtime.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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You guys still chasing your silly tails here?
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dirtbag
climber
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Reasonable people who did not support the previous administration agree that this was not an inside job. I'm hardly taking an absolutist position but it's easier for you to characterize my views that way.
Yep, that would be me (though the reasonable part is debatable).
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Skippy, you don't know anyone that was there. But that doesn't stop you from gargling with the sputum from FoX Noise.
Now however, these people were there and some of them are cops with nothing to gain from lying.
Take their word for it. Or are you too much of a pansy ass to actually watch it? Preferring instead to regurgitate attacks on those with more knowledge and comprehension than you.
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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All of you OCTists here at ST . . .
I'm sorry you can't see past your noses and can not think. The NWO order loves your mind think, or lack there of. You spout the party line very well indeed.
George Orwell's 1984 is indeed here and you are deeply embedded in it and enabling it.
Thanks to you, our Country is headed off the cliff to ruin, because you can't possibly see what has happened nor can you see the cliff we are headed toward. Perhaps one day when we all are experiencing the Police State we are headed toward you can commiserate together and say to yourselves, "We never saw it coming."
Which of course is another delusion. Another lie. Because we are showing you and telling you the truth and with verifiable evidence that the OCT is a flat-out lie. Because you can not handle the truth, you constantly lie to yourselves. Keep sucking your thumbs while those of us around you stand-up for the truth that you can't possibly face and fight for Our Country, Our Constitution, and Our Bill of Rights. How brave of you.
You all are good little non-thinking, non-questioning compliant and asleep citizens. Big Brother has taught you well.
Sorry, but Dissent is Patriotic.
Stand Up!
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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That's funny you talk about censorship Klimmer.
Rob Balsamo has been banning people from his site and the old Lose Change forums for years.
Pull your head out of the sand Klimmer.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Why is it more comfortable up the poop shoot like yours is?
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Rob Balsamo has been banning people from his site and the old Lose Change forums for years.
LOL... saw this on the way out.
It wouldn't have anything to do with your "debate style", now would it? You're a troll monolith. It's proven in your very first reply after my very first post when I returned.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1199984&msg=1208714#msg1208714
If only you can debate the facts and exhibit some self control from ad hom attack, character assassination and trolling, perhaps you won't get banned.
You have no self control because you get frustrated you cannot debate the facts... you go on the attack...then you get banned.
Your "debate style" is on display right here for all to see and understand the reasons you, and people like you, get banned elsewhere.
We have many people who disagree on our forum and remain because they are civil. Go look.
We even keep around some token trolls like you to bat around every once in awhile when we get bored -- and to display as an example of those who cannot debate the data can only resort to personal attacks out of sheer frustration.
Anyway.. enjoy your weekend.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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JDX has FAR more certifications and qualifications to argue the topic than ANYBODY else on this thread that has chimed in. But Werner said we weren't supposed to trust experts. (IF JDX is one, that is.)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Skip is at it again.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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It's all he has. Kind of sad really. Now he is dissin' Coz.
He must think he is special.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Just another delusion of your reality lil Skipper.
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WBraun
climber
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Oh fuk this sh'it and back on topic.
johndoeX is expert who flies the big plane.
Those NIST posers can't be trusted because of their political tie ins.
WE know all their dirty little secrets ....
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Exactly Werner. One line slander wars don't serve anyone. Don't let yourselves get dragged down. THere's always somebody that triggers you.
Peace
Karl
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jstan
climber
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When a country gets highly polarized and people are very distrustful of each other the doors are opened to plots, conspiricies and blatant conflict of interest. These adventures become largely risk free. Polarized as we are the smoking gun could be found on 9/11( were there one) and it might still not be taken seriously.
This is how nations cease to function and ultimately die. The education and logical thought of the citizen is the only thing that permits a democracy to exist. If we take this as being accurate, in any situation one has to judge whether the country is capable of examining data. Where you think a country is not capable, we pay a price in heated discussions with no hope of gaining a resolution.
Osama bin Laden has more nearly accomplished his ultimate goal than we realize.
One has to ask. Has the only superpower in the world been laid low by a hundred Saudi's who apparently are deeply upset at the way our oil companies have benefitted from their country's natural resources? They are not fools. When their oil is finally gone they see no reason to believe anyone will feed them more generously than the starving in Africa are being fed..
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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From:
"Pilots For Truth"
View contact details
To:
Tony Bird
No need for any super dooper electronic microscope... its much simpler than that.
We have a stat counter embedded on our site. http://statcounter.com.
Supertopo probably has one too. Most sites who have webmaster with the barest understanding of the web, will embed some type of stat counter on their site to monitor traffic.
When someone posts a link from our site, at their site, and someone else clicks the link, we can see the site which it was referred. This is called Hit referral and is associated with Hit counters.
A simple google search will give you the education you are lacking on such a topic.
--- On Mon, 7/5/10, Tony Bird wrote:
From: Tony Bird
Subject: Greetings from SuperTopo Member: Tony Bird
To: pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 9:50 PM
Greetings from a Fellow SuperTopo Member!
This message has been sent from a fellow registered SuperTopo climbing member to you.
The message is:
so, john doe x, are you much of a climber at all?
let me get this straight--cofounder of the pilots group, and you've got some kind of scanning electron computerscope that tells you when people are talking about 9/11?
anyway, i do have one question for you, if this gets through.
Sent by: Tony Bird
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