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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 29, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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Ron just admit it YOU ARE A BLEEDING HEART FOR NATURE!! Like I said before if you witnessed someone "spray painting graffiti, destroying a joshua tree, or abusing an animal for pleasure you would kick the sh#t out of them".
You pick up litter--1 admission
Do you hunt and use all of an animal that you killed- 1 admission
Do you love animals -- 1 admission
Still waiting for:
Do you recycle?
Do you grow or gather any of your own food?
I predict you do both of these things but I will wait for your reply...it is only a matter of time Ron because I KNOW people like you--grew up around them actually. You love this earth and people YOU ARE A BLEEDING HEART 4 sure............
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WBraun
climber
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May 29, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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The universe doesn't give a crap about you or me.
Oh yes it does.
We are all part parcel of it.
So You don't care because you are an ignorant scientist and make up sh!t in your fertile brain.
There's no intelligence here.
Just stooopid opinions.
I just drank a quart of fluoride for lunch, nothing happened.
I work both sides of the fence ...... :-)
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 29, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
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Good one Degaine you out chiefed the chief with "the universe is neither good nor bad it only is, prevailing is an entirely human concept"
Love it!!!
How about it Chief Admit your a BLEEDING HEART ECO WARRIOR!!
You can do it you don't even like the right wing so called friends you have so who cares what they think...I doubt they even climb so they will never know you do all the wonderful conservation things you DO!!
Your silence has let me know this is a FACT Jack...otherwise why would you call your dog a HEALER, how come you have bigger fly's to tie, etc etc
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Degaine
climber
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May 29, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
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wbraun wrote:
Oh yes it does.
Prove it.
wbraun wrote:
We are all part parcel of it.
I did not write otherwise. Of course we're all part of the universe. My atoms aren't going anywhere. Before they formed to become me they were off being part of something else, in 40-60 years they'll stop being me and go off to be a part of something else.
wbraun wrote:
So You don't care because you are an ignorant scientist and make up sh!t in your fertile brain.
One, don't care about what? Life? The Earth? My family? About those three, of course I care.
Two, I'm not a scientist, never claimed to be. You're the one making sh#t up.
wbraun wrote:
There's no intelligence here.
Just stooopid opinions.
Unlike you, the chief and a few others, I've never claimed to be intelligent. The only thing I know is that I know nothing, and even that I stole from someone else.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 29, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
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The only thing I know is that I know nothing, and even that I stole from someone else.
Good one!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 29, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
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Love it Degaine!! be forewarned Werner rides the fence two days ago he would have readily agreed with you...we give him a break because he is a stupid american BLEEDING HEART for NATURE!!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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Don't try to fool us with a post about Nancy Pelosi--Ron you are an eco-warrior your HEART BLEEDS FOR NATURE!!
you rattle off 10-12 wildlife organizations (some of which I had never heard of)...wildlife flora and fauna has been your profession since you were 11!!!
Admit you are on this thread for entertainment!! you are just trolling along an internet river...
Admit you cook on an open fire at least once every week and probably more!!
ECO WARRIOR'S UNITE!!!!SAVE THE PEOPLE AND FUTURE GENERATIONS BY CARING FOR MOTHER EARTH!!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 29, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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well Ron, you have repeatedly brought up that quote by House Minority Leader Pelosi.
You bring it up for some reason, I guess you assume, usually wrong to begin with, that the healthcare bill was supposed to be first passed and then actually read, and i can see how somehow as unread and uninformed as yourself would jump with joy at the chance to somehow find reason to criticize something Mrs. Pelosi said. After all, she IS a Democrat, and, gasp, a WOMAN, and gasp, a LIBERAL, and, gasp has gay friendly SAN FRANCISCO in her legislative district.
WOW, how cool is that, why she represents just about every kind of bigotry for you!
But here's the thing, Ron. As usual when you are involved, you always, always, take the simple and shallow and fast analysis, any more than that involves actually READING and looking DEEPER, and you have no time or intellectual curiosity for that!
So here it is Ron, read this, see how the truth is different from what you wanted to believe so badly?
just for once, see if you can follow what is being written, Ron, and then you can go back to the simple stuff like fuking polar bears and "fauna"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/pelosi-defends-her-infamous-health-care-remark/2012/06/20/gJQAqch6qV_blog.html
CLUE: the SENATE has to CHANGE the BILL and pass it, and THEN send it to the HOUSE
and HOUSE cannot know what is in it until it comes to them to be voted on, get it?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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May 29, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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Norton, Ron's never going to listen to a counterpoint. I shouldn't say never, that's an absolute. It seems highly unlikely that he will listen to a counterpoint and change his opinion.
Math and science are irrelevant. Anecdotal conjecture and distrust of math that isn't understood is what Ron and the deniers feed on.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 29, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
Please,endeavor to persevere.
And now back to the argument.
Probably not proper discussion etiquette.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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If theres one thing i defend since i was a boy scout ,it has been the enviornment.
NOT SORRY. You men have proved nothing yourselves,but one thing,especially after attacking scientists like Ed,Base,Chiloe, etal .
Lame argument. A conservationist isn't necessarily a Global Warming advocate.
You can love a clean earth and still be skeptical of anthropomorphic climate change.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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You are not a skeptic bluring, you are a global climate change denialist
there is a difference
I am a skeptic, you are not.
You believe what ever your side of the establishment tells you to believe
and that is to be a GCC denialist
all skeptics believe in the science backing anthropologic GCC, I just posted that fact
They are also all atheists, which you are not
Whatever you say, Johnson. You have proven yourself in the past to be incapable of logic and reason. This is why I will not have a discussion with you. You make no sense, and then deny facts that are posed to you.
End of a rational discussion.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 29, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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Bluering,maybe you can.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 29, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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I asked Base last week if he knew about the range of geo magnetic variations, particularly polar reversals,and their effects on climate due to allowing more or less cosmic Rays into the earths atmosphere. Anyway, no answer was forthcoming so i looked into on my own. Below is a very interesting and very recent paper i found on the subject. Everyone should take the time to at least read through the abstract.
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/4/1215.full
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
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Craig, everything you post is totally biased. The 'Consensus Project'? Really?
You do the cause more harm than good, brah!
Hey, where's Al Gore nowadays?
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 29, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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Good post Dr. F it is startling to look at the 5 characteristics of deniers...
Bluering is the earth 4.6 billion years old or less than 10,000 and why do you believe wichever one you choose?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
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Is sea ice increasing or decreasing? Are global temps declining or increasing over the past 10 years?
Is any of this because of us, if true? Has this ever happened in the past before the advent of coal production and oil use? Why did it?
Try to use logic and history to answer.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Thats right, he is a card carrying christian hard core. I don't know about every science fan being an atheist but for sure most every hard core religious nut is a AGW denier.
I was wondering if you guys could explain this phenomena ?
Simple. There are numerous climate scientists who dispute the "consensus", and aren't 'paid by oil companies'. I'm sure you're aware of them but decline to cite them. Hence, you are a denier.
Not to mention the astrophysicists who point to solar activity for past warming. It is a cyclical solar phenomenon.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
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As for being "bought off" a person can do that to himself without any oil company, hence my question about religion.
What about the other side of the equation. Can AGW proponents even POSSIBLY be persuaded by grants and money? Look both directions before you accuse one side.
As you well know, there is a clear tendency for the religious, and the more religious the greater the tendency, to oppose all and every element of AGW theory.
Again, look at yourself. I think religion has nothing to do with it. More of a cyclical, natural thing.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 29, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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How about you other denier idiots? Or is religion just another question too hot to handle?
You just WANT to make it about religion because if fits your lame narrative.
Meh.
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