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JohnnyG

climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:27am PT

Very well done. Congrats.

so does this essentially come down to power? Most of your variables are ways to quantify power (education, wealth, age)

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:30am PT

Most of your variables are ways to quantify power (education, wealth, age)

Education, wealth, age (and gender) correlate with just about everything. But they stand for a lot more than power.

WBraun

climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:37am PT

In rural third world villages there's almost zero crime.

They take care of their own.

Their was rape in the amazon rural village.

They caught them. They were stupid foreigners who thought these people were easy prey.

They ended up hanging by their ankles lowered into the amazon and were eaten alive by the piranha.

You should a seen it, holy fuk !!!!!

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:40am PT

Yikes

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:40am PT

lol!

MikeL

Social climber

Seattle, WA

Dec 23, 2014 - 09:11am PT

Congrats on the article.

I’m sure you know there are some keen comments on the NYT’s page from readers . . . some of which are quite thoughtful about your methodology, data, explanations for the correlations, as well as policy recommendations. Ward’s view (disparaged by most here on this thread) can be found in the Readers’ Picks list more than a few times (albeit with more explanation).

Perhaps most importantly, IMO, you found a great topic to investigate and write about. It’s attracted a lot of conversation. Diagnosis and conversation IS intervention.

After reading the comments on the page from readers, it might become clear just how difficult it is to pinpoint causes of the problem, as well as fix anything. Everything in samsara is connected to everything else. Pound down on one problem and many others seem to pop up as a result.

Again, congrats.

(How did I come under the impression that you dropped out of the game? Maybe you just moved, hmm?)

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Dec 23, 2014 - 09:58am PT

Congrats! That's awesome!

Seamstress

Trad climber

Yacolt, WA

Dec 23, 2014 - 10:05am PT

The factors listed are not lock-step related. This always stirs me up because of the presumption of privilege that goes along with attending college, or better yet an elite college. News flash - there is actually some diversity in many places in our society where the rich and poor often mingle.

There are three distinct issues that intersect here - sexual assault, the fertile environment for problems that exist at increasingly expensive universities, and the entitled attitude of collegiate athletes. That intersection is receiving a lot of attention, but no one should conclude that the most at risk or only at risk environment is on a college campus. Anyone who thought college campuses were safe hasn't been paying attention.

Applause to pointing out that the risk of sexual assault exists, and may be more prevalent in other environments. The changes in societal norms, attitudes, and behaviors that may lessen that risk in one environment may also be effective in other environments. I'd like to see that the enlightenment occur long before people become of college age.

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Dec 23, 2014 - 10:13am PT

There is more about Callie's research and its wider context in a provocative recent article in Slate by Emily Yoffe.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 10:23am PT

It sounds like Rennison and Gillibrand need to hash it out.

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A Campus Accountability and Safety Act makes no sense to me.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html

GLee

Social climber

Montucky

Dec 23, 2014 - 10:34am PT

Adding my THANKS to Callie, and to Greg for bring it to our attention!!
WELL DONE.....

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 11:33am PT

Congratulations Callie, on the publication.

A tough subject to tackle for sure. Thank you for the work you are doing, with the hopes that it my be a factor in a tide which needs to change in our culture.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Dec 23, 2014 - 02:05pm PT

It sounds like Rennison and Gillibrand need to hash it out.

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A Campus Accountability and Safety Act makes no sense to me.

I can't agree. Like healyje, I am a father of adult daughters. The fact that demographic groups of females with characteristics different from my daughters' may experience higher incidence of sexual violence doesn't mean that the sexual violence on college campuses lacks relevance. I certainly don't read Callie's piece that way. Rather, I read her saying that we need to be careful to avoid ignoring problems regardless of their setting.

John

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 02:10pm PT

"that the sexual violence on college campuses lacks relevance"

That is NOT why it doesn't make sense. (Of course it's relevant, geez.)

Why do college campuses have to get involved - they just add one more layer into the bureaucracy. We are a country of laws and law enforcement - that (system) should be enough; that should cover it. If not, reform the laws or the law enforcement.

The role of campuses, today, more than ever, is to teach.

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"I can't agree."

Or do you mean it does NOT sound like like Rennison and Gillibrand need to hash it out. I don't know, I think it would be interesting, I'd watch. Maybe on the Colbert Report? Oh, wait... :)

This CASA seems very politically motivated.

"I read her saying that we need to be careful to avoid ignoring problems regardless of their setting."

Of course. (I've read nobody suggesting otherwise.)

Willoughby

Social climber

Truckee, CA

Dec 23, 2014 - 02:44pm PT

Rough subject, indeed, and congrats on getting this work out there. I was especially proud to see you start a sentence with the words "These data." That sort of usage, "data" as a plural noun, warms my heart, even in the middle of an essay about sexual violence.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 02:48pm PT

Willoughby,

Sense of Style, by Steven Pinker

http://www.amazon.com/Sense-Style-Thinking-Person%C2%92s-Writing/dp/0670025852/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419374848&sr=8-1&keywords=sense+of+style

rockermike

Trad climber

Berkeley

Dec 23, 2014 - 02:56pm PT

congrats to Crimp on publication.

I also want to doubly recommend the article HFCS posted up thread at Slate. Long but very informative. Sexual assault is a difficult issue but Slate does a good job of untangling the nuances in a very thorough fashion. One begins to sniff a witch-hunt in the offing. Like all things evil in the world men must be to blame.
Anyway, the article starts with a real life example of an intoxicated female going into an 18 year old freshman's dorm room, undressing, and climbing into his bed. You can guess what follows, but 9 months later she accuses him of rape and he is ousted from the university without trial. Come on, we can do better than that.

Slate also, towards the end of the article, brings up the problem of drinking on campus. To my mind that is the center of the problem - though much ignored.

I might also comment that I find it really annoying when people try to blackball any discussion of female behavior. It must be addressed, not in the interest of placing moral blame, but in the interest of solving or reducing the problem. What do we as a society want after all, solutions or merely placing blame after the fact?