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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
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So who do you think won the debate, c wilmot? How do you think Trump did?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
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C. Wilmot, you've been critical of her foreign policy ideas and experience.
What would you do differently?
Honest question--no bullsh#t.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
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Trump also called for action to oust Gaddafi, before he was "against" it.
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
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I would not support Islamic terrorist groups ( the "rebels") invading sovereign nations to foster chaos in order to profit off death. And I skipped the debate-I hate the theatre
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:39pm PT
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Trump's approach was simpler: just 'take' the oil
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
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Fair enough c wilmot, thanks.
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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You all miss the point. While the elite have you bickering about small hands and who is a bigger liar our country continues causing global chaos. The rich profit off death while the US populace are too conditioned to whine at one another to realize it. Ever wonder why despite who is the pres we continue to repeat mistakes in regards to our foreign policy?
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
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Ever wonder why despite who is the pres we continue to repeat mistakes in regards to our foreign policy?
I propose a cabinet level position called "Secretary of History". This persons job would be to sit in on foreign policy meetings and whenever an overseas action is proposed he/she would pipe up and say "We tried this in ---- and it was a disaster".
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
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We tried regime change in Iraq-it was a disastor. We advocated for regime change in Libya- disaster. Egypt? Disastor. Ukraine? Disaster. Why are we advocating regime change for Syria? And more importantly why is Hillary and trump?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
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[quote]First person piece about Trump screwing the little guy: this time, a small business that sold trump $100,000 worth of pianos and tuning and got stiffed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/28/i-sold-trump-100000-worth-of-pianos-then-he-stiffed-me/?utm_term=.fb0029bddef6[/quote]
Perhaps there's another side of the story--perhaps the casino was in trouble (didn't it eventually go bankrupt?) and negotiating "haircuts" with creditors was a last ditch (and ultimately unsuccessful) attempt to stave off bankruptcy. (If the casino was fully solvent, it's a strange story because normally there would be an attorneys' fees provision in the sales contract, so why not find a lawyer to file a lawsuit and get a judgment and get his/her fees paid as part of the judgment?)
The piano seller seemed to have been aware that he was taking a risk and asked his lawyer for advice, got it (to do the deal), and it turns out his lawyer gave him bad advice. Maybe the piano seller negotiated a higher sales price than would have been possible if the casino had perfect credit, in effect gambling that the casino would be successful enough to pay the higher price, and the seller lost and had buyers' remorse.
Are people who don't pay their home mortgages and try to renegotiate the terms (and I don't think they're trying to pay more than the amount set forth in their loan) terrible people?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
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Just a note to make the day for the Libtards here: The latest USC Dornsife/LA Times Daybreak Tracking poll shows that Donald Trump has increased his lead over HRC to a 46.7 to 42.6 margin since the debate.
...he has also garnered 18.2 % of the Afro-American vote, which is significantly higher than that given to either McCain or Romney. Clinton leads Trump with Hispanic voters, but by a significantly narrowed margin of 54.9% to 34.1 %.
The only poll showing HRC as winning the debate is the one done by the Clinton News Network (CNN).
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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Perhaps there's another side of the story--
There could be another side to the story if it weren't repeated over-and-over at all his properties and throughout his career. Getting away with paying less than the full amount he owes or not paying anything at all is the bedrock foundation of his approach to finance and to his business dealings in general. It's not the 'art of the deal', it's the 'art of stiffing'.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
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I would not support Islamic terrorist groups ( the "rebels") invading sovereign nations
First of all let's take Syria for example. The "rebels" did not invade Syria. They were home grown people fed up with the Assad regime.
The latest USC Dornsife/LA Times Daybreak Tracking poll shows that Donald Trump has increased his lead over HRC to a 46.7 to 42.6 margin since the debate.
Roger, the USC/LA Times poll has consistently shown trump leading when all the other major polls show her leading. The LA Times is using different parameters. Even repubs admit that.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
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The piano seller seemed to have been aware that he was taking a risk and asked his lawyer for advice, got it (to do the deal), and it turns out his lawyer gave him bad advice...
I'm sorry, but blaming the victim for getting screwed doesn't cut it.
And what healyje said. We keep hearing the same stories over and over again. This author put his name on the piece. Let's see how or if trump responds.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
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10b, isn't it possible that the LA Times' parameters are the correct ones? All the supposed
bona fide polls had the Brexit failing. I think people nowadays just like messing with pollsters.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
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You really need to look at polling averages and trends instead of just one poll.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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You all miss the point. While the elite have you bickering about small hands and who is a bigger liar our country continues causing global chaos. The rich profit off death while the US populace are too conditioned to whine at one another to realize it. Ever wonder why despite who is the pres we continue to repeat mistakes in regards to our foreign policy?
Spot on.
I'm sorry, but blaming the victim for getting screwed doesn't cut it.
Republican dogma is to always blame the victim.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Sep 28, 2016 - 01:59pm PT
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I think people nowadays just like messing with pollsters.
Well, I do agree with you there. The few times that I have been called to answer questions for a poll, I never give an honest answer. It's none of their damn business how I vote.
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