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jstan
climber
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This keeps popping up on my screen.
The horse is clearly thinking," If she wants to be up here that badly, why doesn't she haul her own ass through this snow?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Is not the desire for "truth" often merely a desire for an easy way out?
Just the opposite. The easy way out is to declare there can be no knowledge and/or knowledge is a waste of time because it is finite in nature, completely subjective and will pass at some point and so why bother.
The hard way, the way that instills nobility into the human condition is, in fact, the search for truth.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Don't let it get you down,
it's only strawmen burnin'
Should you come up with an idea that at least one real person actually subscribes to, do let us know, Paul.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to drill the constellation Gemini through a pair of cedar waxwings.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Should you come up with an idea that at least one real person actually subscribes to, do let us know, Paul.
Course you fail to address the issue. Symptomatic of remarkably mediocre debating skills and an inability to think critically. Perhaps debating your dentist would help since he seems to be the hub of all mediocrity, preferably you do it while having that root canal. Good practice. Don't you think? As well, I would suggest smoking the mercury instead of swallowing it. You'll find it much more effective.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Should you ever come up with a real issue, I'll be happy to debate it.
Meanwhile, you may resume your critique of Modernism and Art By Committee treatise (Van Gogh would likely have agreed with you, there) from your Art In The Plaza fold out chair.
Pray for sunshine.
Anyway, this exchange is as boring as you are, so, by all means, have the last word.
Bye.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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New hummingbird nest in the bamboo 4 ft outside my office window. The most intense hail storm I've ever seen here two days ago.
This is turning out to be a great spring.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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I understand President Obama, a former UC law professor, has instructed John Kerry to use this tactic in negotiations with Iran.
We'll see.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Richard Livingston:
“Science goes on about her work, revealing as she does it, the greatness of man, and if we misuse her, the blame is ours…. All that we need are the firm standards and a clear philosophy of life, which distinguishes evil from good and chooses good and refuses evil. Any great new force that comes into the world is revolutionary and for the moment upsets and confuses the minds of men. That was as true of Christianity as it is of science; it too was a disruptive force in the world…. A history of the world might almost be written in terms, first of the discovery of great truths, and then of their exaggeration.”
Page Smith:
“The time has clearly come to place science in its proper relation to traditional wisdom.”
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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by asking continual questions until a contradiction was exposed, thus proving the fallacy of the initial assumption.
this sounds seemingly close to what Largo's doing with his "no-thingness"?
and it reeks the stench of High Fructose's' quest for Abraham's blood:O
"Bust this nigga's ass!"
Cintune, how do you come up with this shite? Ur "off the wall", Dude!
Have a Good Friday )
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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which distinguishes evil from good and chooses good and refuses evil.
maybe science can come up with a pill that will do away with evil altogether??
but where does evil come from? Some would say man's benchmark is evilness. But we don't commonly hear the term evil associated with Nature/Evolution that much.. Why isn't what the AnglerFish does in committing deceitful murder considered as "Evil"? Don't man consider both deceit and murder, evil? Evolution in Nature has proven that killing and lying to be productive for continualality.
but if we stop eating life to live, we'd surely die?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Richard Livingston:
“A history of the world might almost be written in terms, first of the discovery of great truths, and then of their exaggeration.”
Much of human behavior with its anointing of "great truths" throughout history has been prone to such exaggeration. Science much less so as it is structured to rein in such excessive claims and when they're made it's usual falls into the category of our use of what science has rendered up rather than science itself.
Page Smith:
“The time has clearly come to place science in its proper relation to traditional wisdom.”
Science really doesn't concern itself with wisdom per se and the same thing could be said of any number of human endeavors. And how would Smith - a climber - have reacted to a statement like:
“The time has clearly come to place climbing in its proper relation to traditional wisdom.”
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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The time has clearly come to place linear algebra in its proper relation to traditional wisdom.
Any takers?
Hello?
Is this thing on?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Science really doesn't concern itself with wisdom per se and the same thing could be said of any number of human endeavors. And how would Smith - a climber - have reacted to a statement like:
Science concerns it self with knowledge. This is an epistemological issue. To what degree does that knowledge serve the problems of virtue and morality? Where is wisdom to be found?
Climbing’s in a category outside the realm of science but wisdom isn’t, simply because wisdom tells us how science should be used. Science can’t tell us that but the humanities do even the morality dictated by your religion does.
As you say there is no wisdom in science.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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"In 1875, Josiah Mason gave a gift to establish the Mason Science College with the stipulation that classics not be taught. “Of course at such an institution, the Founder Day's address was logically given by Thomas Henry Huxley on the place of Science in Education. Huxley preached the virtues of science and derisively dismissed all value in studying classics, and he wondered whether any rational person would choose to study classics over science. His conclusion was that the only people who would choose a study

of classics are those like "that Levite of culture" Matthew Arnold. Arnold took the opportunity to respond to his friend. In his reply, Arnold acknowledged that nobody would expect him to engage Huxley in a debate about science, and though he wouldn't presume to take on Huxley in such a debate, he did want to mention something that struck him as he thumbed through a book of Huxley's friend. Arnold noted that he was struck by the idea that "our ancestor was a hairy quadruped furnished with a tail and pointed ears, probably arboreal in his habits." Arnold acknowledged that he isn't a scientist and therefore doesn't dispute such a claim, but he did want to point out that even if that were true, with regards to this good fellow, there must have been a necessity in him that inclined him to [be] Greek. And would always incline him to Greek. After all, we got there, didn't we?”
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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To be great is to be misunderstood (RWE)
And as we see on ST the converse is also true.
The time has clearly come to place linear algebra in its proper relation to traditional wisdom
What more needs be said? Linear algebra ⇒ wisdom.
They're way too busy washing their lab coats to keep them white and constantly recalibrating their instruments against a standard that constantly changes (Duck)
At last, a coherent sentence from Mr Duck!
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jstan
climber
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I don't suppose anyone here would criticize me if I said, "the problem of mind and consciousness is quite probably too big for us to solve on ST. Ed Witten in receiving the Kyoto Prize has some thoughts on this.
At 3:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7879oGdhWdU
I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone. But if we value efficiency we really need to use care when we select the topics to which we devote our resources.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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To what degree does that knowledge serve the problems of virtue and morality?
Again, science isn't about virtue and morality. And given we humans conduct war after war I would ask to what degree do the classics, history and philosophy actually serve the problems of virtue and morality? Why should you have such expectations of science when the classics, history and philosophy are largely impotent as guiding lights informing our behavior.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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^^^^^^^^^^^
Verum est, quod!
(True that!)
Speak English, damn it!
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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But if we value efficiency we really need to use care when we select the topics to which we devote our resources.
I can value efficiency for all but about 10 minutes a day.
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