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franky
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Davis, CA
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:49pm PT
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So much drama on both sides of this debate.
That says something about how easy life in America is, that THIS issue is what gets people passionate. Especially in California, where it is really just about a word. The rights are all the same, by law, but the word marriage can't be used. Both sides have spent millions on such a feeble problem and yet The Buttermilks don't have a toilet.
Where is the justice?!?!?!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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I am an Atheist, glad I got married before they ban either one.
And yes, I believe Gobbee does interpret the bible literally.
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franky
climber
Davis, CA
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:53pm PT
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Now you're talking my language. Can't decide what is worse, filling up that beautiful high desert with poop, or your brownie analogy. Both are unpleasant.
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:54pm PT
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Even if your assertion that most of the nation shared your fears, it wouldn't change the fact that America does not make laws based on a mob's definition of "sin".
America is not a Christian theocracy, and our Constitution assures us it never will be.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 01:54pm PT
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Ok dirtbag, you keep stumbling down that dark path of blindness.
Then tell me, what's so evil about it? Really, why is it evil?
I don't mean what the Bible says or might not say about.
And I don't think "I find it distasteful" = evil.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:00pm PT
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Pre-banging couples = marriage allowed, ding!
Interracial couples = marriage allowed, ding!
Atheist couples = marriage allowed, ding!
Atheist/theist couples = marriage allowed, ding!
Inter-faith couples = marriage allowed, ding!
Convicted felons = marriage allowed, ding!
Pre-banging interracial inter-faith convicted felons = allowed, ding!
Gay couples = not allowed, GONG!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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Gravity's one of God's Laws.
Are airplanes ammoral?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
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Who created nature, and it's laws?
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 02:06pm PT
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Plain and simple dirt, it goes against God's law.
Of course, you don't believe in God, so in your mind life is, "Hey, do whatever you want. There won't be any consequences. Sin with the stops out, go ahead!"
I stand firm against that.
I didn't think you'd be able to answer without involing the bible.
So what Jack and John do together by themselves is more or less the same morally as murder, or what happens in Sudan.
Nonsense like that should make thinking people seriously question the Bible.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:10pm PT
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God is nature.... and nature, God.
at least in the tantric view....
and would you quit talking about me!
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:13pm PT
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Sharia is God's Law too....
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 02:14pm PT
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Out of the darkness? Bwahahahahhaha. What a joke.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 02:15pm PT
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Who wants to embrace the light with me?
We can all get together tomorrow and stone women and fags!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:17pm PT
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Just so we got right, a pair of 20 year olds, one with a penis and one with
a vagina, coked up after having met three hours earlier, can get married
at the Wedding Chapel in Las Vegas.
But, another couple, both having dicks, having been together for 40 years,
cannot get married.
Because it is God's law.
Do I have this right?
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
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Yep norton, you understand it correctly. They're just like murderers, thieves and other sinners.
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pc
climber
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
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Survival, Nice one.
You forgot a couple though:
Hetro couple engaging in "buggering" = Marriage allowed, ding!
Hetro couple where the man gets prostate exam = marriage allowed, ding!
Who makes up these laws? Oh, right. Cragman does.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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Nothing prevents them from getting married?
Don't you have to first obtain a Marriage License, that under that State's
law, expressly forbids same sex marriage?
So, how can they get married, anyway?
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Binks
Social climber
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:23pm PT
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It's only an opinion that being gay is against God's law. I asked God, he said it wasn't against his law. Go ahead, ask the big Guy. So I say it isn't against God's law. In fact God pointed out to me that homosexuality exists in most animal populations in nature as a small percentage. It's part of the divine plan.
Regarding my opinion, my die hard Catholic brother had to say that homosexuality only exists in nature because "nature is fallen because the devil literally fell to earth" otherwise he claimed "the lion would literally lie down with the lamb" and there would be no predation within nature, let alone homosexuality.
No predation. Cats hunt mice due to Satan. Wow...
Apparently this an official theological interpretation of his church. How can I argue with this? It's internally consistent, but I find it utterly absurd. I gave up trying to argue against it and decided we must agree to disagree.
My brother never asks God directly. He consults the authorities first. Or if he does ask God directly, but the answer he gets isn't what correlates with the authorities in his church, he assumes it's because he's imperfect. The authorities in the Catholic church are impeccable to him. They are divinely inspired. He has dozens of books he'd like me to read that he says "explain his position". He was flabbergasted that I said I don't have any books for him to read about my positions.
I just ask God a question and accept the answer. I believe in God, but I need no books or authorities. I just ask and get an answer. It works as long as I'm neutral about the question and don't allow my emotions to rule even in sensitive issues. If I can't get neutral, it doesn't work. Getting neutral, besides calming the emotions, is basically "agreeing not to lie to myself despite the information that comes forth".
I'm not a homosexual, I've never killed anyone or committed adultery. I'd be a fine candidate for his conservative religion. People constantly imply that they believe I'm not a member of a Christian church because I don't want to be morally constrained. That my stance is the stance of those that do extreme evil to the world because they are immoral. I believe this is a grievous error on their part, and further invalidates their arguments. I also find that failure and hypocrisy is tolerated within the religion to an extent I can't accept. I'm way harder on myself and my personal moral standards are much more exacting than their church's, but they never agree this is possible.
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pc
climber
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Jan 21, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
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And BTW. Can we please stop tax exempting religious organizations!
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