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August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 9, 2018 - 09:33am PT
Fritz:
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

History, read it and weep.

-Kurt Vonnegut
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 9, 2018 - 09:53am PT
"So it goes." - Kurt Vonnegut

In happier news, voters in Missouri, which Trump won in 2016, rejected a Right to Work proposition. (More accurately known as Right to Work for Less)

Maybe people are finally figuring out Trump.

Fueled by more than $15 million in campaign spending and laser-sharp attention from national labor unions, voters solidly rejected an attempt to make Missouri a “right to work” state.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting early Wednesday, unofficial results showed the ballot question asking whether the Show-Me State wanted to join 27 others in allowing private-sector workers to not pay dues to a labor organization had flamed out about 2 to 1.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/democrats-unions-declare-victory-as-right-to-work-loses-by/article_d75fc640-45e0-5ecc-93c9-91cecca36113.html
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:02am PT
the continuing story of bungling Thomas Selby (Born: May 15, 1940 (age 78 years), Bogotá)

Not a true Kenyan, but close to it.

Jody informed me Bogotá is in Botswana.




“This robe doesn’t make me anything other than human,” Ellis told the court on Thursday morning after instructing the jury to forget what he had said to the Mueller team about the IRS witness. “You’ve got to put that aside.”

What would it take to make him humane?


Look out Ellis, the Obama crew qwine getcha.


blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:15am PT
This is just an observation and I think Obama was mostly doing the right thing but a full blown Western European style of government is not a good fit here.

Ha, it's not necessarily a great fit there either for most people, the establishment there is getting its butt kicked just like here.
As to the relative success of US compared to Europe, it's kind of hard to say: both have a lot of people doing well and lot of people not doing so well. (The libs love to crow about Scandinavia, but not so much about the PIGS. Always fun to cherry pick data I suppose.)
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:18am PT
Trump is the first president in a long time that is trying to help our economy and bring jobs back.

"When President Bill Clinton signed off on the North American Free Trade Agreement and the General Agreement on Trade & Tariffs in 1993, otherwise known as NAFTA/GATT, he quite literally slashed the economic throat of the United States. We've been hemorrhaging jobs to foreign nations like Communist China ever since."

World Trade on the seas creates a lot of pollution and greenhouse gases. It accounts for 86% of all fuel use. Way more than all the cars in the world with dirty bunker fuel. Buy local, keep jobs local and help save the planet. Trade should be a barter system where you actually trade vs. destroying the other economy.

Next thing that needs addressed is the runaway population in areas that cannot provide enough resources and overpopulation in general and the pollution it creates. If you don't see this as a problem, you may be the problem. Our seas are getting close to dying from all the pollution we humans put in them. Nations are trying to overtake other nations with trade. Each nation needs to learn how to provide for themselves or maybe you have too many people to support. Hence, the refugees. A global trade system creates too many dependent connections like growing all crops with the same genes. One bad bug and it wipes you out completely. The World so to speak.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:28am PT
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:56am PT
sNs- I love the Needles and I'm sure we could get a good laugh about these politard rants!

A hurricane swell due to hit tonight, the water is warm and it's frickin hot!

Have fun!

We coaxed Ron (white shirt) out for a climb last time I was at the Needles. Hit Hermit Spire a couple on months ago...love it!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 9, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
Trump is the first president in a long time that is trying to help our economy and bring jobs back.

Huh? Seriously, you think Trump is in this for anyone other than himself? He's a great distraction while the kleptocrats continue to gut the economy, an he'll grab whatever he can in the meantime.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
The climate-change deniers get to have their very own conference to deny all sorts of stuff with full Trump support. No doubt, many of them are also "Flat-Earthers."

At 'America First Energy Conference', solar power is dumb, climate change is fake.

Pumping carbon dioxide into the air makes the planet greener; the United Nations puts out fake science about climate change to control the global energy market; and wind and solar energy are simply “dumb”.

The second annual conference, organized by the conservative thinktank the Heartland Institute, pulled together speakers from JunkScience, the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, and the Center For Industrial Progress, along with officials from the U.S. Department of Interior and the White House for panels that included: “Carbon Taxes, Cap & Trade, and Other Bad Ideas,” “Fiduciary Malpractice: The Sustainable Investment Movement,” and “Why CO2 Emissions Are Not Creating A Climate Crisis.”

Tim Huelskamp, president and CEO of the Heartland Institute, said the views presented at the conference – once on the fringes of U.S. politics – would be proven right.

“The leftist claims about sea level rise are overblown, overstated or frankly just wrong,” he said in an interview. Regarding the United Nations’ findings on climate change, he said it was “fake science” motivated by a desire for “power and control.”

A similar conference blasting the link between fossil fuels and climate change last year drew then-Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt, who was appointed by Trump to reverse Obama-era climate initiatives and roll back regulation hindering drillers and miners but who has since resigned in a flurry of ethical controversies.

In the conference exhibit hall, the words “Coming Soon!” in big orange letters framed a Heartland Institute advertisement for the fifth volume in its “Climate Change Reconsidered” book series. Attendees also passed around a book titled “Dumb Energy: A Rant Against Wind and Solar Energy.”

The more than 40 speakers praised Trump for withdrawing from the Paris climate accords, a global agreement to fight climate change mainly by cutting carbon emissions; and for rolling back regulations to allow oil companies to lead the biggest energy surge in the nation’s history

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange/at-america-first-energy-conferenc-solar-power-is-dumb-climate-change-is-fake-idUSKBN1KU1Y1

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 12:53pm PT
Trump is the first president in a long time that is trying to help our economy and bring jobs back.


Yes, you must go into the Wayback Machine, and travel to the Teapot Dome Scandal to find a president who is, you know, "helping, like". It's like he says - it's mostly odd things he does.






Wilbur Ross is one of the most money-addicted people on Trump's staff - and that is really saying something. Ross steals handfuls of Sweet-n-Low from restaurants because he is too lazy to tell his housekeeper to buy a box from the store. Ross' PR team's spin to the newspapers?

"He doesn't use sweetener in his coffee. HA! So, there! I know you are, but what am I?"




Wilbur Ross will probably be one of many Trump staffers to be indicted. He's already alerted ethics observers to his failure to divest himself from financial conflicts of interest.

Scott Pruitt, ex-EPA villain, thinks he's off the hook because he resigned and is no longer on the Front Page.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT.

Guess again.



Just because the cops are busy getting a cat out of a tree doesn't mean that a bank robber won't be caught.


StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 12:58pm PT
Greed is all that matters. The more Rome burns, the harder the oligarchs will fiddle.

mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
Aug 9, 2018 - 01:10pm PT
^^^^ For reasons like this....


Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
ATF-In a recent pole a majority of Republicans want to give Trump the power to shut down news outlets and newspapers of his choice.

Perhaps you can personally give him a list of the anti Trump politards here. I understand they're handing out some cool arm bands for that type of loyalty.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2018 - 01:21pm PT
ATG! Per your question:
Why is this p.o.s. thread not dead yet?


Maybe it's time for you to take direct action.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 9, 2018 - 01:39pm PT


wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
“Effen Brain Dead Sheep”


Russian Asbestos to you,soon......lol.

So ,as the canary in the coal mine ,construction is slowing down over here and quick like. Lumber yards I deal with are worried,it cost a full 10k more to build a 1800 square foot home today that it did a year ago.

Who is going to make America good again?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
The “somewhat- conservative” magazine for rich people, Forbes, just published a scathing article about Trump’s Secretary of Commerce, Wilber Ross.

Rather than draining the swamp, it appears now that Trump brought much bigger monsters to the swamp.

I just don’t understand how folks on here can keep defending Trump's behavior.

And yes, Wilber Ross is going to jail.


From Forbes:

If even half of the accusations are legitimate, the current United States secretary of commerce could rank among the biggest grifters in American history.


It is difficult to imagine the possibility that a man like Ross, who Forbes estimates is worth some $700 million, might steal a few million from one of his business partners. Unless you have heard enough stories about Ross. Two former WL Ross colleagues remember the commerce secretary taking handfuls of Sweet’N Low packets from a nearby restaurant, so he didn’t have to go out and buy some for himself. One says workers at his house in the Hamptons used to call the office, claiming Ross had not paid them for their work. Another two people said Ross once pledged $1 million to a charity, then never paid. A commerce official called the tales “petty nonsense,” and added that Ross does not put sweetener in his coffee.

There are bigger allegations. Over several months, in speaking with 21 people who know Ross, Forbes uncovered a pattern: Many of those who worked directly with him claim that Ross wrongly siphoned or outright stole a few million here and a few million there, huge amounts for most but not necessarily for the commerce secretary. At least if you consider them individually. But all told, these allegations—which sparked lawsuits, reimbursements and an SEC fine—come to more than $120 million.

Those who’ve done business with Ross generally tell a consistent story, of a man obsessed with money and untethered to facts. “He’ll push the edge of truthfulness and use whatever power he has to grab assets,” says New York financier Asher Edelman. One of Ross’ former colleagues is more direct: “He’s a pathological liar.”

Donald Trump termed Ross a “legendary Wall Street genius” and named him to his cabinet. “In these particular positions,” Trump explained to a crowd of supporters, “I just don’t want a poor person.”

From Ross’ vantage point, Trump offered the perfect exit. The future cabinet secretary’s private equity funds were underperforming—one on track to lose 26% of its initial value and another two dribbling out mediocre returns—and the accusations were starting to pile up. Roughly two months before the 2016 presidential election, the SEC announced WL Ross was paying a fine and refunding $11.9 million it allegedly skimmed from its investors, including interest.

On November 1, 2017, Ross signed a sworn document, attesting that he had divested all the assets he promised he would. That was not true. The commerce secretary in fact still owned somewhere between $10 and $50 million worth of stock in WL Ross’ parent company, Invesco. Ross sold his shares a month later, banking at least $1.2 million more than he would have if he sold in May, when he initially promised to divest. By falsely claiming he gotten rid of the shares earlier, Ross also put himself in legal jeopardy, since it is a crime to lie to federal officials.

Representatives for Ross, a sophisticated investor, claimed the commerce secretary did not lie but instead failed to realize he owned the shares.

The central matter in all of Ross’ legal issues is his own credibility. “Lying on an ethics disclosure form, to Congressional and Senate committees, and falsely reporting compliance with an ethics plan, is neither ‘commonplace’ nor part of the accepted rough-and-tumble world of politics,” David Storper, Ross’ former right-hand man, argued in a court filing. “They are just lies.” Adds another onetime colleague: “This is a public servant who can’t tell the truth.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/08/06/new-details-about-wilbur-rosss-businesses-point-to-pattern-of-grifting/

Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Aug 9, 2018 - 07:29pm PT
Cosmic there (sic) all the same except Contractor he has a sack.

Watch out Contractor, apparently see2suckit has developed a taste for sac, but you should be safe as long as your sac isn’t orange with a comb-over . . .





edit—fvcking cowardly pussy deleted his post
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
Alright ATG, this isn't a Tony Robbins seminar. It's a political thread on a forum- we're here to put our views out there and have them sh#t upon. It's a exercise in humility. SeaNsummit is a total dick here but I'm sure he's laughing at the sh#t he writes and I get a kick out of it.

For the record I consider you a friend and I don't know very many people that have gone to Africa to help those who the world has ignored need, good on you!

I'll look for those cool weather veins on the "show me what your building" thread...no bullsh!t there, just good vibes.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 09:26pm PT
Cheers ATG, Equilibrium and adaptability in our politics and Society is very often achieved by conflict and opposition within the framework of our laws.

God help us if everyone thought like I did!
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