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WBraun
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Jun 12, 2017 - 03:40pm PT
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No one can know these things
But you know everything since YOU experienced it ALL.
You are god (a tiny infinitesimal one) and only you know what everyone else in the whole cosmic manifestation can know. Rolls eyes ......
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 12, 2017 - 03:55pm PT
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I truly respect the fact that people have deep spiritual and metaphysical experiences that give them a deep understanding of life and the human mind.
I can't argue that they were not life changing and very meaningful. But these experiences occur in the mind, nothing from the outside enters the mind except through the senses; i.e. like a physic transfer of thoughts or feelings(please debate if you think this is incorrect).
Anything can be experienced, but anything that is experienced has nothing to do with God or can be attributed to God.
It's your own workings of your mind, it occurs there and stays there.
Atheists can be just as spiritual and enjoy the farthest reaches of the mind just like anyone else. God has no bearing on what happens in our mind, this does not change one iota if you believe in god or not.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
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God has no bearing on what happens in our mind,
Now Dr Fry is an expert on what God does and doesn't do.
Yowza !!!!!
Are you using a huge excavator for digging that huge hole you're making for yourself?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 12, 2017 - 04:00pm PT
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Wbraun is an expert on what God does and doesn't know
He knows all so he can say everyone else is stoopid
only one possible option; ignore all WB posts
so tedious...
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 12, 2017 - 04:22pm PT
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But what is Craig's definition of God and what is Werner's definition of God?
I don't think it is the same. Apples and Oranges.
In various religions God, self, and one's own mind are one and the same.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
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DMT, How much money are we talking about? I'm not cheap, but, hey I'll hear the offer!
Craig, I wrote a fairly long reply to the question and then realized how silly I was being, both in terms of my ego and the expectation we would have a conversation. My thoughts are already here upthread and you're welcome to them. Cheers.
Second word of the day: shoshin (beginner's mind)
If you check Werner's stuff like a gold panner you'll occasionally catch a really nice nugget! Thank you, Werner!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 12, 2017 - 04:55pm PT
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My definition of God is any possible form of God possible or imagined,
therefore, includes all and everyone else's God or what they want to call God, even WB's
here is the Exception:
Calling one self or any other Human God, I will not make an exception for this type of God in my definition of possible God
God is something other than a Human or living biological organism.
Next Exception; Calling everything "God",
Everything is not Called God.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jun 12, 2017 - 04:57pm PT
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Humankind, continually trying to place their limited knowledge into boxes with labels that proclaim....I know this.
A wonderful challenge to live life fully.... experiencing and not labeling. Growing and learning as you go.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
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Craig, Go upstream to the post on Taoism. Then circle back and initiate a conversation. Let's put an anthropomorphic and personal God off the table and not consider it a plausible idea for including in a conversation.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 05:25pm PT
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Let's put an anthropomorphic and personal God off the table and not consider it
Why do that? As Craig started to really think. He said:
"My definition of God is any possible form of God possible or imagined,
therefore, includes all and everyone else's God or what they want to call God, even WB's"
He should have left out "My" and "imagined"
God can take any form he wants. and then he says:
"Calling oneself or any other Human God, I will not make an exception for this type of God in my definition of possible God
God is something other than a Human or living biological organism."
Yes, so "Calling oneself or any other Human God, I will not make an exception" this is 100% true.
I called him a tiny infinitesimal god. I used "god" in that sentence in lower case because it was a sarcastic statement.
In truth, every living entity is a part parcel (infinitesimal tiny part) of God himself with all the qualities but not the quantity .......
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
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I do like the pantheistic god concept as a homogenous impersonal resident intelligence that underlies the cycles between states of animate and inanimate phenomena. It's such an interesting idea to ponder and experience and in my observation, however delusional, joyful.
The anthropomorphic personal God idea is a big yawn for me. It vey compelling/interesting.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 05:32pm PT
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Since you are a person Mark you are a big yawn and not very interesting. :-) (sarcasm)
I'd much rather talk to an impersonal formless thing :-).... (more sarcasm)
This is has been a crude form of analogy .....
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 05:42pm PT
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Hi, Werner! Beer? ;-)
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
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I don't drink alcohol.
But it's cool man ......
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jun 12, 2017 - 06:26pm PT
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God doesn't call "alcohol-free beer" beer. She's kind of an all-knowing sort. Kind of tiresomely so, in some of her creations.
I like the idea of labelling our posts as sarcasm! I wish Trump would do that with his tweets, but how many times can you type (lie) before you get carpal-tunnel?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 12, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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In truth, every living entity is a part parcel (infinitesimal tiny part) of God himself with all the qualities but not the quantity .......
Why not? On a sub atomic level and a planetary level, its so similar.
Planets and stars orbit around each other the same as electrons around a atom. The building blocks of nature, who knows how far into infinity it stretches. We could all be some small part of a much vaster life form, as we are all part of our Mother Earth. It actually seems more likely then not.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 12, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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"In truth, every living entity is a part parcel (infinitesimal tiny part) of God himself with all the qualities but not the quantity ......."
Of course Werner knows this to be true/factual based on...
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
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Werner is in harmony with his experience. It is profound for him and he is conveying the depth and impact of his experience. He claims that his experience is universal. At some level the experience is universal as functional MRI shows religious experience is universal in the pattern of brain activity associated with it.
These things are true based on science.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Jun 12, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
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The "truth" that we are looking for, is obviously wrapped up in the evolution of first vertebrates, then mammals, then primates, then human-like creatures (hominids). Science (evolutionary science) allows for introducing new things into the universe, like human-like creatures. Religion has a tough time explaining the same phenomenon..
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