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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
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Another terrorist attack/mass shooting, we get the usual responses:
The gun nuts in the NRA, say that this just proves everyone should be armed and the answer is more guns not less.
The gun store owner says he see nothing unusual about some mental person named Omar buying a semiautomatic weapon with multiple extra magazines and ammo.
The Muslims say this does not represent true Islam, so they bear no responsibility. Kill in the name of Islam and you get a global yawn, but draw a picture of Mohammed in some magazine that nobody reads and global riots will breakout, go figure.
Poor Obama just shakes his big eared head as he has to hold another sad press conference and orders more bombs to drop in the dessert, as any type of gun control seems impossible.
IMO, the majority of Americans still cannot understand why anyone needs an AR-15 with multiple magazines in the first place?
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away from the ground
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
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Because..... BENGHAZI!!!!1!!
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:36pm PT
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BENGHAZI!!!!1111 Drink!!!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:52pm PT
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Jon, driving has been found a privilege many places. For California, look up Miller v. Reed, 176 F.3d 1202 (9th Cir. 1999)
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1054787.html
When I was taking dirver's education in school 50 years ago, the first thing they taught us was that driving was a privilege. Despite certain posts on the internet to the contrary, Miller v. Reed remains controlling precedent in California and the western states under Ninth Circuit jurisdiction (i.e. Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Nevada, Idaho and Montana). I am aware of no contrary case anywhere else.
I would be particularly wary of those who insist that driving is a constitutional (or other) right. They tend to be the same people who say the income tax is illegal, or that the Second Amendment allows private parties to own machine guns (see post, above).
John
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
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For all those who say that if the people in the Pulse had been carrying. . .
Oh yeah, guns, and alcohol are always a good combo.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:26pm PT
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John, so why doesn't somebody inform the DMV that driving is a privilege?
I think they believe that knowing yer left from yer right is also a privilege.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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Not that it matters for many practical purposes, but the reality is the driving on public roads is the privilege part.
Driving on your own property, in your own car is not a privilege per se and would otherwise fall under life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
However, many states have even overstepped that boundary by requiring farm vehicles and private land-only vehicles and such that never see the light of a public road to be licensed, fees paid and fleeced regardless.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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There was an armed security officer
He joined in the gun fight
apparently, a Good Guy with a gun will NOT STOP A BAD GUY with a Gun
because a bad guy with a gun has the advantage of surprise, with a ready gun already pointing at you, a faster gun, and more ammo.
so the good guy with a gun will either be shot, or have to run for his life
So if you want to die, carry around a gun and try and stop a bad guy with a gun.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
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Oh looky! Craig Fry. Are YOU gonna join the confiscation task force? Go for a little ride-along?
You're in good company, come along you might get a kick out of it.
No? I didn't think so.....Oh the outrage, the fake horror....its too much to handle.
Tards
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:56pm PT
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The Republican Congress is a threat to our National Security by being beholden to a Private Lobbying group that's interest is to threaten our National Security
What happened to having an oath to the Constitution
the Republicans are only interested in bribes from lobbyist groups and having a high NRA rating so they can get reelected.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 16, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
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What happened to having an oath to the Constitution
Boy howdy, what happened indeed....
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 16, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
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However, many states have even overstepped that boundary by requiring farm vehicles and private land-only vehicles and such that never see the light of a public road to be licensed, fees paid
apparently, you don't know why that is.
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away from the ground
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Jun 16, 2016 - 04:27pm PT
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
Jun 16, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Oh looky! Craig Fry. Are YOU gonna join the confiscation task force? Go for a little ride-along?
You're in good company, come along you might get a kick out of it.
No? I didn't think so.....Oh the outrage, the fake horror....its too much to handle.
Tards
Which "confiscation task force" exactly are you ranting about? The one that exists only in your imagination, or the one that exists only in your imagination?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 16, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
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The one that contains LEO's coming to confiscate his Semi Autos.
He is willing to lose his precious freedom by fighting the law just to save his Semi's.
Fruitcake,cousins of Bundy, do not realize they are severely outnumbered.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:45pm PT
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Duh. There was a "CCW" dude there. He was useless.
Most folks don't think to, or want to, be packin' when they go out for a night on the town, where quite likely they're going to be consuming alcohol.
So anyway I was talking to Stevie Wonder sometime back and asked if he ever carried. He just looked at me funny.
Bodyguards laughed.
EDIT: Actually happened. Wally G., a physicist friend was designing some equipment for him. I cannot recall how the conversation turned to guns. I guess it's just a popular topic of conversation.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 16, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
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Excellent post, cragman.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 16, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
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580 posts...everybody in agreement now?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jun 16, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
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What happened to having an oath to the Constitution
the Republicans are only interested in bribes from lobbyist groups and having a high NRA rating so they can get reelected.
this is all of american politics and not unique to republicans. it is also why republicans who have any brain cells do not respect some on the left. this sh#t goes on every where.
shooting an AR type rifle is pretty fun. i dont own one, but went to the range and had a blast.
but i have no problem with getting checked out to hell and gone before anyone could buy one.
clearly our background checks dont do sh#t. the NRA are a bunch of motherf*#kers (even though i know members) and the republicans in congress have blood on their hands by sucking on the NRA tit, but make no mistake, there are left wing tits to suck too.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:32pm PT
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
means that individuals have a Second Amendment right, not just the states.
It took entirely activists judges to interpret "a well regulated militia" to mean an individual. It's exactly the same kind of twisted logic which considers "a well regulated corporation" to be an individual.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 16, 2016 - 09:43pm PT
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^^^ well let us hear your understanding as to what a "well regulated militia", and "the right to bear arms" meanings as per the authors intent described in the Constitution of The United States.
Please?
edit; then i'll tell you mine.
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