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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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"at the birth of the sun and of his brother the moon, their mother died. So the sun gave to the earth her body, from which was to spring all life. And he drew forth from her breast the stars, and the stars he threw into the night sky to remind him of her soul."
But who impregnated the mother? Why did the mother die? Who was the earth, a cousin? a stranger? How would the sun draw forth stars from a mother's breast?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Obviously Limpingcrab and blublckr are holdbacks. As you already know, I'm sure, hey've existed in every social movement since the human ape first banded together thousands of years ago.
HaHaHaHAHA!
Fruity your too funny!! stay scientific here, seriously, your the holdback to the ape age! Think about it, we didn't come till after, what did you say 125,000yrs, 1,000,000yrs after man appeared??
But don't get ill. Christianity only wants back what was first stolen.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Don't be disgruntled over the scientists telling you you have no free will... You really can choose... -Blublcr
As usual you epitomize the ongoing ignorance.** (And as usual gleefully it seems).
It is not either-or, it is both. It is simply ignorance to not grasp (to not understand) that a fully caused, fully automatous system - whether machine to computer program to honeybee to human - can still "choose" from choicepoints - the choicepoints intrinsic to a system based on system design, system state and input (eg, experience).
But Blu don't let science and the facts get in the way of your ability and FREEDOM to post.
**Ignorance. Not to be confused with stupidity.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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It is not either-or, it is both. It is simply ignorance to not grasp (to not understand) that a fully caused, fully autonomous system - whether machine to computer program to honeybee to human - can still "choose" from choicepoints - the choicepoints intrinsic to a system based on system design, system state and input (eg, experience).
Obiviouly i'm not speaking much of the brain controlling lung functioning. i speak primarily of the mind that tempts heartbeat.
keep trying tho..;)
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Before the Gods, came the Titans.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2016 - 09:48pm PT
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say no for rocks, but I do want to hear what a Christian would say.
Maybe the bible has a No. I can refer to.
I don't think so because God made Mankind in his image, put us above animals, made no restrictions about killing animals, and let us eat them (Genesis). To me, I think we are unique in having souls and having relationships with Jesus.
No contradictions? Read the begats in the new testament. Who was Josephs father?
What were Jesus's last words.
Incest is wrong? who was cains wife? Sorry, this week is not as slow as last week for me, and as I mentioned before we could go back and forth on "contradictions" until the cows come home. I'll address the one you said first just for an example, but we could do this forever.
The book of Matthew traces the lineage of Jesus to David through the legal route, through Joseph and Joseph's father. The book of Luke traces Jesus' lineage to David via the biological route, through Joseph's father in law (there was no word for father in law in the original language). Either way, Jesus was a descendant of David, as the Old Testament predicted. These genealogies were recorded as would be expected in the time and culture in which they were written.
Please keep in mind that most of the so called contradictions are compiled from people reading verse by verse looking for something. I believe that when the Bible is studied, rather than scanned, and the history is understood, the contradictions drop one by one. I have probably researched hundreds and have noticed this pattern.
It's easy enough to compare the skeptic lists to the knowledge of biblical scholars, linguists and historians now that we have the internet.
Sorry I'm not continuing, I'm rather tired and have gone over quite a few of these on this thread, I don't mean to brush off your question. If there is one big one you would really like to know my beliefs about, please let me know and I'll respond when I get back to this another day.
I'll restate that I am convinced there are no contradictions. I've looked for years.
OK.
Hey Christian, got any spare change?
Lots.
Since God (ever merciful) killed everyone except for one family in the great flood, where did all of the different kinds of people come from? Did Noah have Australian aborigines on board? Did he drop them off along with the kangaroos and platypuses as the water receded? I believe this is explained in the story of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9). It doesn't give a time frame for how long this took, from what I can tell.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Largo on your 4/8 post....it is a fascination well worth pursuing.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Thanks, ingcrab.
It can feel like every corner has a whore with a different trick.
Ewww. ^that sounds soo OT(old testament, not off topic).
i think it may be to difficult/impossible for some organism's to perceive/conceive free-will? Does a Crocodile ever move to Florida just because the weather is good, or the taxes are better? No.
How long wil it take to teach the Monkey the earth is round?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 10, 2016 - 06:05am PT
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go home blue, you are drunk.
athiests have free-will: not believe in space god/son/holy spirit voodoo used to wage wars, political agendas, subjugate women, minorities, etc.
that's another thing, when I grew up in the church in 80s, in PA, christians weren't allowed to drink, gamble, or even dance. but since moving to the west, I've noticed christians are allowed to do all 3. pre-marital sex even seems to be tolerated. what is next, the gays?!
maybe it is time for re-branding, since all denominations are shrinking quickly
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/12/christians-drop-nones-soar-in-new-religion-portrait/27159533/
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 10, 2016 - 08:02am PT
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Is there any connection between the Roman creation myth and the birth of Jesus?
Romulus and Reamus were conceived in a human woman by a god. (Mars)
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 10, 2016 - 08:27am PT
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I talked to my friends at Cal Tech about the spiritual impenetrable walls and we came up with something that would work.
We would have a cloud of high temperature plasma surrounding the room that is contained by super conducting magnets.
It would be like sitting at the center of the Sun, but without the crushing gravity.
Nothing can get in or out.
How about now?
You would be cut off from God's energy.
You would be completely alone.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 10, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
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At Cal Tech, amongst our group of particle scientists, there was a lone voice that said it would never work without his ultimate isolation backup system.
We all laughed when he revealed his proposal,
but now, after so much denial that the main system won't work,
we will have to add the final ultimate wall against all or any possible energy transfer;
We will now submerge the plasma surrounded room in a tank that contains
Sharks with laser beams attached to their heads
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 10, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
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I fixed it
"Sharks with Laser beams attached to their heads"
Keeps all God like spirits out of tank containing them.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 10, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
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Thanks LC. So an omnicient, omnipotent being created us for his own pleasure? And required us to worship him and his half human son to get into paradise?
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Norton
Social climber
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Apr 10, 2016 - 07:23pm PT
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Thanks LC. So an omnicient, omnipotent being created us for his own pleasure? And required us to worship him and his half human son to get into paradise?
not only that, but then this Etherial Spirit orders us humans to murder, rape, and enslave each other in word of god, the Bible
why? don't know, perhaps for his amusement hanging out in space, bored and all
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 10, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
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A bit off topic but I think this suit has merit- do you?
I've found it amusing that the Republicans putting money in the collection plate are happily tax cheats to fund a retirement lifestyle for pastors and missionaries. There are good pastors and missionaries whoa re trying to help people, but many are snakeoil salesmen and parasites on society.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 10, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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Missionaries are presumtuous beyond all measure. They have been responsible for untold human misery down thru the ages.
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Pea-dub
Ice climber
sun diego
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Apr 11, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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Jim was it the Canadian government or Catholics or Protestants Presbyterians Or Baptist Who did this.just asking.
Sounds like you should lay your blame some where else.
It seems the government would only have that power to go in and take children from there home. I may be wrong.?
I believe the Catholic Church does not represent Jesus and his teachings properly.I've met a few Christian Catholics no Catholic Christians.The Catholic Church and many (but not all) of there clergy stand between the people of the world and Jesus. The go between never letting people have a real relationship with Jesus For them selves.
Jim if someone raped 30 boys and girls and whispered your name in there ear.!!????
I think you are judging this story incorrectly.
Craig Jesus lives in my heart
No separation no isolation from Jesus.
He says he's with me even unto the end of the age.
My .02
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