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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Excellent, HDDJ!^^^^
John
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2015 - 05:03am PT
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Carly Fiorina came to speak at my hospital yesterday. She game almost the exact same message as Newt Gingrich did when he came 4 years ago: big institutions are bad and stifle innovation. Small ones are good. I am the voice of the people. When asked about gun legislation she insisted that the ones that we had needed to be enforce competently before we run off yelling that we need new ones. She pointed out that the Virginia Tech shooter purchased a gun because the background check system failed, but when asked if she would close the private purchase loophole in the background check system went back to her line about enforcing existing laws. She also insisted that Obamacare was to blame for increase health insurance prices and that Dodd-Frank was to blame for consolidation in the banking industry.
In news:
Radicalized Christian terrorist declares "I am a warrior for the babies." When will our President finally come out and say that this country has a problem with radical Christianity? He won't even say the words "radical Christian extremism." He won't say it! I'm pretty sure he's a secret Christian himself.
The latest CBS poll has Trump at 35% support amongst likely Republican primary voters. Cruz came in 2nd place with 16% and Ben Carson dropped to 3rd with 14%. Note that "likely Republican primary voter" is a pretty hard right-wing crew demographically.
Liberty University is allowing concealed carry permit holders to pack on campus.
VW admitted that its emissions cheating was a widespread policy that coincided with its decision to push diesel engines back in 2005.
The US and 99 other nations are backing a plan to hold climate temperature increases to 1.5 degrees. This temperature is favored by island nations who are at risk of being decimated by ocean level rise a the 2 degree increase level.
While the United States dithers and wrings its hands about taking 10,000 Syrian refugees over the next 3 years, Canada is taking 10,000 by the end of 2015.
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Dec 10, 2015 - 05:32am PT
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So, why do we pay more (for less coverage in many cases, such as mine) for health insurance? Was it just a coincidence that it happened to occur after Obamacare was passed?
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mcreel
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Barcelona
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Dec 10, 2015 - 05:48am PT
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I thought I'd check up on this thread, and I see we have a religion/science debate going on. A scientific observation (it's a refutable hypothesis) is that the best scientific wisdom of any moment is almost certainly not fully correct, it's always missing refinements, which can turn out to be marginal, or paradigm changing. If close to 50% of the people running around don't believe in evolution, then there must be some evolutionary fitness associated with that belief. A Bayesian will start to wonder...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2015 - 05:48am PT
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So, why do we pay more (for less coverage in many cases, such as mine) for health insurance? Was it just a coincidence that it happened to occur after Obamacare was passed?
For starters, look at what premiums and deductibles were doing before Obamacare and let me know if you see a trend. (Hint: they were both going up.)
Then, consider that what an individual thinks of as "healthcare spending" and what an economist thinks of as "healthcare spending" are two different things. In the 90's, managed care successfully kept over healthcare spending down by raising deductibles and restricting options. People hated it, but it was the only thing we've done that has reduced overall spending. Obamacare didn't directly address healthcare spending (as Republicans were incredibly eager to point out until they figured out they could start blaming it). The year over year increase in overall healthcare spending has decreased since Obamacare and more people have access to insurance. To accomplish this, health insurers are shifting costs. Additionally, employers have figured out that they can force employees to accept larger and larger shares of their healthcare premiums with little repercussion. As a result, deductibles and employee premiums have gone up faster than increases in overall healthcare spending. Ironically, this is exactly what Republicans have advocated for forever. If fatty's posts hadn't been deleted I could link you a zillion times he crowed that people needed more "skin in the game" to hold down costs.
I should add that Fiorina made incredibly clear that it was vital for people with preexisting conditions to be able to get health insurance and cited her status as a cancer survivor. Without Obamacare, this would not be current law. Our healthcare system still has plenty of problems and nobody believes that the ACA was the end all be all of healthcare fixes, it just accomplished a lot of the goals that reformers had. Congress could spend its time fixing these problems, but Republicans have made "Obamacare" so toxic that they can't touch it even though most of them (and their constituents) support most of the major provisions in the law.
If close to 50% of the people running around don't believe in evolution, then there must be some evolutionary fitness associated with that belief.
uuuuuuuum.....I'm pretty sure that's not how evolution works.
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Dec 10, 2015 - 06:17am PT
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By giving so much airtime to the Republican leadership battle, the preoccupations of a tiny but vociferous portion of the American electorate is being showcased as though they represent the views of Americans as a whole.
As the main U.S. media outlets report and amplify each and every outlandish assertion by Donald Trump and his fellow contenders for the Republican presidential nomination, major damage is being done to the underlying quality of the dominant political discourse in the United States.
That damage has two main characteristics. By giving so much airtime to the Republican leadership battle, the preoccupations of a tiny but vociferous portion of the American electorate is being showcased as though they represent the views of Americans as a whole. And by restricting the response to that battle largely to the counter-views of the leading Democratic Party contenders, a whole slew of arguments of a more profound kind are receiving virtually no air time at all. The democratic process is being inexorably damaged by both these tendencies.
The Republican candidates are currently having a field day. Views that once would have been roundly condemned as unacceptably non-American are now treated as simply more moderate responses to proposals that are more outlandish still. Views that once would have been quickly dismissed as factually incorrect are now given traction and legitimacy by their regular repetition. This is the real damage currently being inflicted on the quality of American political discourse by Donald Trump in particular, damage rooted in his apparently consistent search for the evermore reactionary position that leaves simple conservatism looking gloriously moderate by comparison.
These assertions by leading presidential candidates play well to a Republican Tea Party base that is hungry for quick and simple solutions to what are in reality deeply-rooted and complicated problems. But they potentially play well too to a wider American audience -- one that is aware of America's increasing involvement in a third Middle Eastern conflagration and one that feels, particularly after the mass shootings in San Bernardino, increasingly unsafe because of that involvement. That is an audience which is likely to look first to the White House, or even to the Democratic Party more generally, for reassurance and action; so it is also an audience which is likely to be currently disappointed and frustrated by the heavily qualified justifications for war now currently on offer from the Obama administration.
The president struggled to be heard on all of this in his Sunday night address, his voice partly drowned out by the cacophony of hate now passing as legitimate political commentary on right-wing radio and television talk shows. Yet even if his right-wing critics had been willing to hear him out, what they would have heard was less than fully convincing. For he would have them and us believe that it is possible to fight ISIS successfully without committing large numbers of U.S. ground troops to yet another Iraq-type war; and that it is possible to wage that war without significantly increasing the danger of large-scale terrorist activity here at home. These two claims rest on a linked set of well-rehearsed but still problematic assertions: that airstrikes are effectively degrading ISIS as a military force; that local ground forces are available to complete that degradation if properly trained by the United States; and that a broad coalition of the willing is involved in this fight, happy to accept U.S. political leadership and to share the burdens and dangers involved.
The trouble with all these claims and assertions is that we have heard them before, and seen them fail in both Afghanistan and Iraq. We are seeing the training of local forces in Iraq and Syria failing even now. Little wonder then that, when offered the prospect of foreign war without domestic pain, the Obama administration should be losing ground to Republican arguments that wars are not won that way, and that if this one is to be won it has to be harder fought. Little wonder either that the Democratic candidate who is most likely to face this Republican onslaught next November is already sounding more hawkish on ISIS than the administration that she has both to defend and to replace. The president would have us conduct a surgical war, "strong and smart" as he put it. His opponents want something that is significantly more strident: but both of them seem to be offering us the prospect of yet more war without end. Both seem to be offering us, that is, what Ira Chemus recently correctly labelled "America's Reckless War against Evil."
David Coates
Worrell Professor of Anglo-American Studies, Wake Forest University, Department of Politics
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Dec 10, 2015 - 06:39am PT
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And, don't forget HDDJ, that part of our premiums (and taxes)go to corporate profits, this is what really bugs me about privatization of any government service - our taxes going to profit margins. A legacy of Regan, who I still think was a buffoon, just as I did in 1980. Now he's been all but deified. Even Obama felt he needed to pay homage to Lord Regan.
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mcreel
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Barcelona
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Dec 10, 2015 - 06:57am PT
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uuuuuuuum.....I'm pretty sure that's not how evolution works.
So, you mean that the observable characteristics of a population are not related to the evolutionary fitness of its members?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2015 - 07:00am PT
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The adherence to or derivation from belief in a particular idea is not, no.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:02am PT
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Hidesert ask Chuck Schumer why Obama Care is shitty..
It should be called "KEEP THE INSURANCE COMPANIES INTACT ACT"
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2015 - 07:03am PT
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Reeotch posted And, don't forget HDDJ, that part of our premiums (and taxes)go to corporate profits, this is what really bugs me about privatization of any government service - our taxes going to profit margins. A legacy of Regan, who I still think was a buffoon, just as I did in 1980. Now he's been all but deified. Even Obama felt he needed to pay homage to Lord Regan.
Indeed. Obamacare actually caps those profits at 20% and forces them to pay money back to their policyholders (many people have received checks). I'm not clear what you think is a legacy of Reagan, exactly. For profit healthcare was not invented in the 80's and Medicare has always been a boon to the private sector.
pyro spurted It should be called "KEEP THE INSURANCE COMPANIES INTACT ACT"
I'm not entirely clear what you think the alternative should have been. If it had been left entirely to liberals there would be virtually no health insurance companies left at all and we'd have single payer like almost every other developed nation.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:04am PT
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Crazy behavior usually doesn't pay off, in the sense that you don't get lucky. (Getting lucky is the main thing behind evolution, no wonder the religious folks don't like it!). But it can jump a complacent population out of an evolutionary well.
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mcreel
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Barcelona
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:05am PT
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If ostentatious display of a belief, or tail feathers, helps you get lucky, then yes, it is related.
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:07am PT
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I'm not entirely clear what you think the alternative should have been. If it had been left entirely to liberals there would be virtually no health insurance companies left at all and we'd have single payer like almost every other developed nation.
Bingo!
Obamacare isn't "liberal" at all. Regan would be proud.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:09am PT
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No wonder people don't believe the theory!
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:10am PT
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Yes it does Dingus!
If your genes are to survive you have to "get lucky"!
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:11am PT
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Getting lucky in the sense of getting laid, duh!
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Dec 10, 2015 - 07:19am PT
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I teach a whole class based on evolution. It is not enough to survive, you have to pass your genes on. Otherwise you have been "selected against" and your genes are history . . .
What don't I get, I'm curious?
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