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Craig Fry
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So Cal.
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Allegedly, Kevin McCarthy had an affair with Rep. Renee Ellmers,
and if was to be uncovered at the worst time, it would present a National Security Crisis.
The Republican Congress is in Chaos....
Remember the old TV show "Get Smart", the enemy was "Chaos"
What did they cause? Chaos
What are the Republican Party doing to our Country? Creating Chaos.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I love it! Who would expect anything else but chaos when the Tea Party candidates got into office. Unqualified ideologues with a midieval view of the world.....not that any of them could define or spell midieval.
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dirtbag
climber
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Maybe if OBAMA used his cell phone to communicate to other party non of this bipartisan sh#t would be happening..
Lol. Turn of Faux News.
You think the tea party fanatics pulling GOP strings have any interest in chatting? It's either their way or blow up the government.
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dirtbag
climber
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Allegedly, Kevin McCarthy had an affair with Rep. Renee Ellmers,
and if was to be uncovered at the worst time, it would present a National Security Crisis.
If true, it would still be a trade up from their Speaker Hastert, who paid hush money to shut up boys he was molesting.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 9, 2015 - 08:02am PT
I love it! Who would expect anything else but chaos when the Tea Party candidates got into office. Unqualified ideologues with a midieval view of the world.....not that any of them could define or spell midieval.
Uh, might want to try a little spell checking before you hit "post".
(Or maybe you're being farcical?)
Medieval is the correct spelling..
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dirt bag it took Obama 1/2 hour to call Boehner and congratulate him during the Republican primary back in april.. do u remember?
Obama didn't have Boehner phone number!
Our president the anti social stranger in our white House..
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Norton
Social climber
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SHUT IT DOWN !
Seniors won't get their Social Security checks.
The troops won't get paid.
Default on some US Debt payments.
Stock market get clobbered again.
The House Republican Freedom Caucus says SHUT IT DOWN !
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Medieval is the correct spelling..
From the Meddle Ages.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Ken M understands the nub of things: the Speaker has to elected by majority vote of the House.
So the Nancy Pelosis gets elected Speaker is a possible scenario, though about 1 in 100. I anticipate the possibility of the Speaker being the candidate the majority of Republicans will vote for and then enough Democrats will also vote for same to get a more reasonable Speaker. If this scenario plays out, Pelosi won't even run to assure the Democrats can vote in union for the reasonable Republican and get credit, once again, for being the adults in the room. This will foil the Tea Party crazies and increase odds of a Democratic win of the Presidency and more legislative seats in 2016. Dems have Golden opportunity here!
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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never was a fan of Boehner but the more the comes to light the more obvious it is that he's bailing because of the sh#t-show the party is turning into. nut jobs and mouth breathers.
sorta fun watching.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dirt bag it took Obama 1/2 hour to call Boehner and congratulate him during the Republican primary back in april.. do u remember?
Obama didn't have Boehner phone number.
That's practically an impeachable offense.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dirt bag it took Obama 1/2 hour to call Boehner and congratulate him during the Republican primary back in april.. do u remember?
Obama didn't have Boehner phone number!
you know the President is not allowed to place phone calls, but must place all of them through aids, so that a record is kept? And something like this would go through the WH switchboard, very famous for being able to fine anybody, anywhere.
That is, if they are taking calls.....
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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The more I see, the more I dislike what the militants are doing (and I disliked them when I first saw them, so this isn't easy). First, how dare the "Freedom Caucus" purport to have a monopoly on conservatism, as if Boehner and McCarthy aren't conservative? In fact, many of the Tea Party favorites are proving to be protectionists, and rather loose constructionists of the First Amendment's disestablishment and free exercise clauses.
Accordingly, I've decided that if the Tea Party types can call someone like Boehner a RINO, we should call the Freedom Caucus and the Tea Party DBANs, i.e. Democrats By Another Name. The last thing they want is Republican governance, because that will give them and the talk shows nothing to gripe about.
John
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Oct 13, 2015 - 06:10am PT
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The change that's coming is a rejection of a party that has lost it's mind.
This, from a CONSERVATIVE:
The Republicans’ Incompetence Caucus
The House Republican caucus is close to ungovernable these days. How did this situation come about?
This was not just the work of the Freedom Caucus or Ted Cruz or one month’s activity. The Republican Party’s capacity for effective self-governance degraded slowly, over the course of a long chain of rhetorical excesses, mental corruptions and philosophical betrayals. Basically, the party abandoned traditional conservatism for right-wing radicalism. Republicans came to see themselves as insurgents and revolutionaries, and every revolution tends toward anarchy and ends up devouring its own.
By traditional definitions, conservatism stands for intellectual humility, a belief in steady, incremental change, a preference for reform rather than revolution, a respect for hierarchy, precedence, balance and order, and a tone of voice that is prudent, measured and responsible. Conservatives of this disposition can be dull, but they know how to nurture and run institutions. They also see the nation as one organic whole. Citizens may fall into different classes and political factions, but they are still joined by chains of affection that command ultimate loyalty and love.
All of this has been overturned in dangerous parts of the Republican Party. Over the past 30 years, or at least since Rush Limbaugh came on the scene, the Republican rhetorical tone has grown ever more bombastic, hyperbolic and imbalanced. Public figures are prisoners of their own prose styles, and Republicans from Newt Gingrich through Ben Carson have become addicted to a crisis mentality. Civilization was always on the brink of collapse. Every setback, like the passage of Obamacare, became the ruination of the republic. Comparisons to Nazi Germany became a staple.
This produced a radical mind-set. Conservatives started talking about the Reagan “revolution,” the Gingrich “revolution.” Among people too ill educated to understand the different spheres, political practitioners adopted the mental habits of the entrepreneur. Everything had to be transformational and disruptive. Hierarchy and authority were equated with injustice. Self-expression became more valued than self-restraint and coalition building. A contempt for politics infested the Republican mind.
Politics is the process of making decisions amid diverse opinions. It involves conversation, calm deliberation, self-discipline, the capacity to listen to other points of view and balance valid but competing ideas and interests.
But this new Republican faction regards the messy business of politics as soiled and impure. Compromise is corruption. Inconvenient facts are ignored. Countrymen with different views are regarded as aliens. Political identity became a sort of ethnic identity, and any compromise was regarded as a blood betrayal.
A weird contradictory mentality replaced traditional conservatism. Republican radicals have contempt for politics, but they still believe that transformational political change can rescue the nation. Republicans developed a contempt for Washington and government, but they elected leaders who made the most lavish promises imaginable. Government would be reduced by a quarter! Shutdowns would happen! The nation would be saved by transformational change! As Steven Bilakovics writes in his book “Democracy Without Politics,” “even as we expect ever less of democracy we apparently expect ever more from democracy.”
This anti-political political ethos produced elected leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence. Running a government is a craft, like carpentry. But the new Republican officials did not believe in government and so did not respect its traditions, its disciplines and its craftsmanship. They do not accept the hierarchical structures of authority inherent in political activity.
In his masterwork, “Politics as a Vocation,” Max Weber argues that the pre-eminent qualities for a politician are passion, a feeling of responsibility and a sense of proportion. A politician needs warm passion to impel action but a cool sense of responsibility and proportion to make careful decisions in a complex landscape.
If a politician lacks the quality of detachment — the ability to let the difficult facts of reality work their way into the mind — then, Weber argues, the politician ends up striving for the “boastful but entirely empty gesture.” His work “leads nowhere and is senseless.”
Welcome to Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and the Freedom Caucus.
Really, have we ever seen bumbling on this scale, people at once so cynical and so naďve, so willfully ignorant in using levers of power to produce some tangible if incremental good? These insurgents can’t even acknowledge democracy’s legitimacy — if you can’t persuade a majority of your colleagues, maybe you should accept their position. You might be wrong!
People who don’t accept democracy will be bad at conversation. They won’t respect tradition, institutions or precedent. These figures are masters at destruction but incompetent at construction.
These insurgents are incompetent at governing and unwilling to be governed. But they are not a spontaneous growth. It took a thousand small betrayals of conservatism to get to the dysfunction we see all around.
David Brooks
Politics, culture and the social sciences.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 13, 2015 - 06:16am PT
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Why I'm a registered Independent.
Basically, the party abandoned traditional conservatism for right-wing radicalism. Republicans came to see themselves as insurgents and revolutionaries, and every revolution tends toward anarchy and ends up devouring its own.
By traditional definitions, conservatism stands for intellectual humility, a belief in steady, incremental change, a preference for reform rather than revolution, a respect for hierarchy, precedence, balance and order, and a tone of voice that is prudent, measured and responsible. Conservatives of this disposition can be dull, but they know how to nurture and run institutions. They also see the nation as one organic whole. Citizens may fall into different classes and political factions, but they are still joined by chains of affection that command ultimate loyalty and love.
All of this has been overturned in dangerous parts of the Republican Party. Over the past 30 years, or at least since Rush Limbaugh came on the scene, the Republican rhetorical tone has grown ever more bombastic, hyperbolic and imbalanced.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Oct 13, 2015 - 07:00am PT
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Yeah, the party was all roses and sunshine back in Nixon's era.
Sadly it really was by comparison, but the whole diatribe is whitewashing the fact that politics is always ugly, but has gotten worse and been drawn out into the light more. You can no longer delude yourself into thinking it has any sort of high morals.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Oct 13, 2015 - 07:13am PT
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The Shut Down is coming
McConnell floats entitlement changes in high-stakes fiscal talks over Debt Ceiling
By Manu Raju
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/mitch-mcconnell-entitlement-changes-fiscal-talks/
Updated 7:33 AM ET, Tue October 13, 2015
(CNN)—Mitch McConnell privately wants the White House to pay this price to enact a major budget deal: Significant changes to Social Security and Medicare in exchange for raising the debt ceiling and funding the government.
Several people familiar with the high-stakes fiscal negotiations said the Senate majority leader's staff is trying to drive a hard bargain in the private talks with the White House and Democratic leaders.
McConnell is seeking a reduction in cost-of-living adjustments to Social Security recipients and new restrictions on Medicare, including limiting benefits to the rich and raising the eligibility age, several sources said. In addition, the Kentucky Republican is eager to see new policy riders enacted, including reining in the Environmental Protection Agency's clean water regulations.
White House officials are already rejecting such entitlement changes. But the demand by McConnell showcases the major gulf that exists between the two sides as they try to avoid a potential fiscal calamity if the United States fails to raise the national debt ceiling by Nov. 5 or stumbles into a government shutdown by mid-December.
Meanwhile, Democratic leaders are betting that the blame of any shutdown or default will fall largely on Republicans, giving their party leverage to force GOP leaders into making concessions to raise the debt ceiling and cut a budget deal that increases domestic spending.
That puts the pressure squarely on McConnell. The GOP leader, who won reelection last year and promised that his majority would prove Republicans would avoid fiscal crises, is eager to find a bipartisan consensus. Yet in the aftermath of Boehner's demise, McConnell is facing renewed criticism from the party's right flank, which is only bound to grow more pronounced if he cuts a deal viewed as a capitulation to the White House.
will they reduce our National Credit Rating again after this self inflicted Economic Crisis?
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