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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Tradman,
First off, talking about farm raised... Me too. I assume you didn't farm in Southern Africa. Elephants are a huge problem around the Caprivi Strip area (Bostwana, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia).
Predators also take a toll (ie lions, spotted hyenas, wild dogs, leopards).
Are these farmers killing every cat and elephant they can legally kill? NO!
They tolerate these critters and the hassles they cause to accommodate hunters that pay for the fencing, community development, waterhole improvements etc..
If you have wild-game on your farm in Africa (especially cats and elephants you make a lot more money than just raising cattle.
On top of that you promote the conservation of many species that otherwise would be killed without knowledge to any of us.
If you are anti hunting there is no use arguing. I understand that (not trying to change your mind). I am just using my own experience in Africa to try and preserve some of the populations of various critters that are left.
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philo
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Aug 5, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
Well Locker, since you said "let the govt handle it" - that does indeed mean no Africans shall get jobs at hunting ranches nor taxidermy studios in Africa.
Why is that Ron? Do you think the black man is incapable of killing and stuffing animals?
Or is it that the ranches and taxidermy companies are owned by racist shits who won't hire darkies?
Why do you think the poaching is so prevalent there?
Because humans are greedy scum.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
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Philo says- "why do you think poaching is so prevalent their?... because humans are greedy scum"
Are you insinuating poor people are greedy scums? Are you racist? Think of all the animals these "darkies" (YOUR WORDS) kill indiscriminately. Just to feed the family.
I have compassion for folks trying to make a living.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
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This male (and pride) wandered out of Kruger onto a private reserve.
If they had crossed the neighbors fence they would be shot on site (legally for nothing). I believe it was prudent for Zero to move his pride and settle in a hunting preserve. He was never hunted but provided offspring that has been sold to many conservation areas in SA.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Rdog,
Thanks for the Moshoeshoe info. Interesting history. I had never heard of those folks.
Maybe a bit of your real-life knowledge on African game management will get folks to research a bit other than the cecil biased stories.
I have always thought," don't trust a mans opinion on animals unless he has walked in the tracks he is discussing."
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philo
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No Ron this is exactly what YOU said.
Aug 5, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
Well Locker, since you said "let the govt handle it" - that does indeed mean no Africans shall get jobs at hunting ranches nor taxidermy studios in Africa,
The insinuation being that "Africans" are not capable for the work. Or that "Africans" are not part of their own government. But just a moment ago you contradicted your own assertion about "Africans" working in those very fields. So which is it Ron?
You do know that "Africa" is not a country but rather a massive Continent made up of a great many independent and unique Nations right?
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philo
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Yeah Ron it's always someone else's fault when you get caught in one of your dilemmas of logic.
Real, real hyporite.
Just like your ignorant uninformed dumbass comment about Colorado going to hell since legalizing weed. You know as little about Colorado as you do about Africa. Opinions are not facts. Do yourself a refreshing favor and look at actual facts for a change.
It may do you some good.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Philo,
If you are intelligent enough, and truly want answers, I will shoot you straight! (let me know your true question?)
I don't deal well in hypotheticals, but facts keep me up at night (when I seem them so misrepresented).
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jim-
I am African. My work buddies just told me that. I am 4th generation from SA.
Seems silly that folks try and use there heritage for their current situation. Maybe that's just me?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
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Courtesy of evil realist conservationist
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philo
climber
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Aug 5, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
the only logic dilemma is you. Maybe an enema will clear that up.
Between you and bobduh the comprehension level is at zero.
edit: Spot on JB, and he back deleted it ----kind of proves your theory "fo sho"...
Real, real hyporite.
edit: what the heck is a hyporite? Akin to a hypoleft?
Funny you should ask Ron as it is your word.
Aug 2, 2015 - 09:08pm PT
Cikeys mr sushi pimp that article couldn't be more full of shat if it had come from the bottom of a sewer.
ANd how do you spell HYPORITE ???
You're a real class act.
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philo
climber
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Get an edjumacashun.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Just curious what you guys think about Dama, Scimitar horned Orx, and Addax.
I am happy to elaborate if need be.
-Q-ball
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2015 - 03:40am PT
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Aug 5, 2015 - 05:19pm PT
Who kills a Giraffe? that's just weird. I grew up on a farm . I totally get killing sh#t that harms your livestock and wrecks your crops. I also get hunting for food even though I suck at it. If yer gonna eat meat you will never find more organic than venison. I do not get catch and release Fishing. If you are not hungry don't fck w/ the fish. I definatly don't get killing an animal just to put it's head on your wall.
^^ I completely agree including the part about injuring fish and releasing them. Weird. Pointless in this 'modern' age.
Thanks for your post and thanks also to Jim Brennan, for acknowledging how TMC put this into perspective in so few words.
^^some edits
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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All this yapping about Texas ranches saving trophy animals, propagating them and restocking Africa is purely a diversion tactic from the issue of this thread.
But it sooths the butt hurt I guess if you have a response no matter how stupid.
THOSE RANCHES ARE NOT breeding LIONS, Elephants, Giraffes, Rhinos, Hippos, nor crocodiles, the very species being HUNTED by these African Trophy Hunters.
So in other words, your point is moot (edit).
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Texas is saving the Dama, Scimitar horned Orx, and Addax and what not,
species already hunted into extinction in the wild by man
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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So wrong, rong
I'm a f-ing Biologist!!!!!
I studied ecology, and know far more about the world wide ecological destruction that has taken place than any biased right winger can ever comprehend
In fact if it wasn't for google youd knott know much other than bouldering and cacti. such a weak retort, you are really stooping low to post such dribble
VVV
Now I'm a failure??
Failure at what?
My life is nothing but successes, I'm on top of the F-ing world compared to your self proclaimed misery
I'm a well paid Air Pollution Scientist now, which is not Biology per se, but is linked to ecology.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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At least we do not have to worry about "Ostriches" being on the endangered species list. There are plenty of people here with their "heads in the sand"...
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