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jstan
climber
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Sep 17, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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Jody:
Jesus would be well served were you to concentrate on taking photographs.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 17, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
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One must explain why two persons of the same moral standard achieve different results.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 17, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
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C' mon D' Mouse
Cat' cha clue
U don't hav ta do, what' cha do
With' out a cause.
Duck ur head,
Grab ur tail, with ur claw.
Here comes that Big cat.
With the Big paws.
BB that's me!
I come with THEE,
WORD.
Look up In the air, NO over there.
Times a shak'in,
With a mean glare.
THIS TACO AIN'T FAIR!
Don't sit' round gett'in bak'in.
Put it DOWN for God sak'in
Lift my brow'
Make me snicker.
Jus gimme words that's good for my ticker!
In someone's head, is no place to be.
Cut straight through the heart.
That's for me.
Jus Play'in
BB
Peace!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 17, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
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Jody
Take a chill,
Pill.
Show ur grill.
Don't need to kill.
Some just wanna swill.
U can't giv'em the fill.
If U make it like a hill.
There's more soil to till.
I'm ur doctor, and here's ur bill.
Jus ill'in
BB
Peace!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 17, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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Yet you folks defend that religion at every opportunity.
who are "you folks"? I would not defend Islam any more than I would defend Christianity, but I would defend your right to believe in whatever you want to believe in... as I would for Islam...
I hope I have not been offensive to your beliefs, but certainly you would afford me not only the right to my beliefs, but also the right to talk about beliefs.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 17, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
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Jstan, how so? If you are of the persuasion that I am being offensive, then you don't get it either
Jody:
This is the same kind of self righteous reasoning that allowed people many centuries ago to look upward with a beautific smile as they poured molten lead down the throat of another, whose only failure was the refusal to bend their knee to someone.
You do not question yourself.
I have not the slightest doubt you are a good person.
That does not relieve you of your duty to become better.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 17, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
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Okay, I have a good question for everybody! Who are the dirtbags & who are the urban yuppies? I mean, if the Atheist were all on one side of C4 and the Christians on the other? Because, everyone who stays in C4 is one or the other, evidently. I was just wondering!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 17, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
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10-4 Big Ed , U r a Great Voice!
No offense to me. Can't offend me with mere letters....
BB
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 17, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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Hey Ed, are you a urban yuppie or a dirtbag? If you were to stay in C4 that is? Help me out here...does not anyone know where they stand on this issue? I thought everyone was either one or the other, fer crying out loud!
edit: okay, thanks Ed, jstan, Dr.F! Very interesting answers.
btw, i am pretty sure the three of you would make a great climbing team. you are individual enough that you wud not argue over the lead role, etc. and you would each work together to get the task done! concentrating on yer individual strengths and complimenting each other to balance out any weak areas, Kudos!!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 17, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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I dirt bag when in the Valley even if I don't have too
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jstan
climber
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Sep 17, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
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I stay in C4 every Facelift.
I am a non-dirtbagger.
I am also a non-yuppie.
I am f-----g me.
:)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 17, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
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you're right, I don't get it...
you're saying you could be offended because there are things you could consider as offensive being said...
...then you say an offensive things and take umbrage when those "folks" tell you they are offensive.
Edit: it's just a number
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:14am PT
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WB, lets get real here for a moment. fergit this nit pikin at each other. wud are ya, dirtbag or urban yuppie?
edit: never mine Werner, i already know the answer = once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag! sorry WB yer a dirtbag fer life!!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:19am PT
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One must explain why two persons of the same moral standard achieve different results.
what do you mean by "moral standard"?
do you mean the two people conform to the rules of right conduct?
do you mean the two people are capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct?
where as "ethics" are a system of moral principles, rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong.
That is to say, your "moral standard" is how well you follow your ethics...
if two people are of the "same moral standard" then, presumably, they follow their ethics to the same degree.
perhaps their ethics are different and the obtain different results?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:30am PT
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It's precise meaning is .666%
It comes from John looking into the future (now) and seeing that two thirds of mankind has the world in his mind and actions. While only one third has the Lord.
Sad
But True
Jus Quot'in
BB
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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See Ed
It's a real tough question.
Especially since "they achieve different results"
We'll thinking about this one for a long time .......
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:33am PT
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Jody,
You need to shake the dust off your feet and move on as some people are blind and will never see.....
It is a waste of time.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:35am PT
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One must explain why two persons of the same moral standard achieve different results
Two persons may evaluate the antecedent conditions and current situation differently. Also they may foresee the consequences of actions differently. Therefore they can make different decisions with equal moral justification. Only the actual outcomes can be measured objectively.
This is the basic reason that moral absolutes are meaningless.
Perhaps the most dramatic and consequential result in our time is the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Even with what we know today, 67 years afterwards, two morally equivalent (whatever that means) people can come to different conclusions as to its moral justification. We know the outcome was horrific, possibly more horrific than Truman thought it would be. Yet what if he had made a different decision? We can only guess what that outcome would have been.
Moral decisions must be based upon information and reflection rather than reflex. If they are based solely upon dogma they can't be called moral decisions, they are unjustified actions.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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Splitter
I'm not a dirtbag, nor Yuppie, nor Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, theist, agnostic, climber, rescue guy and a million other designations attached to oneself.
You'll just have to go thru a few more life times to figure that out ......
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:39am PT
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It is a waste of time.
one could look at it that way
I'm actually surprised that you would say something like that, but then again, you believe in your truth, and you believe there is no other.
That's scary.
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