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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 13, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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Nope, it was a 911 dispatcher.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 13, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
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Read the link, idiot. The non-emergency number is manned by 911 dispatchers in Sanford. His first 8 calls of the 46, were directly to 911.
A few more calls also went to 911.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 13, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
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What's the point of having two separate phone numbers, if both phones are answered by the same person?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 13, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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I bet they have a handful on duty at all times and give priority to direct 911 calls.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 13, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
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Again, MM, read the link slowly. He made a few more direct 911 calls later.
He just stopped calling 911 about potholes. LOL
Do you retract your claim that he never called 911?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 13, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
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It stands to reason if blacks represent only ten percent of the population, then a black criminal would only have a one-in-ten chance of finding a black victim.
Maybe they're just practicing Equal Oportunity criming.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Apr 13, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
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Wow the white sheets are really out burning crosses on this one.
Some Americans are just so disgusting.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 13, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
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LOL ^^^^
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 13, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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he wasnt just some kid.
You were seventeen at some point. So was I. Did you do some stuff that was illegal or bordered on illegal? I did. Would it really matter to your mother and father that you did, if someone shot you dead either then or now?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 13, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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There is only a single report of the police saying "Okay, we don't need you to do that."
There is one report that has been publicized as reported above. We don't know if there are any others. We do know that z-man was instructed not to confront potential suspects in his training or indoctrination to the neighborhood watch program. I posted it way back in this thread.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Apr 13, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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Where are the links to Martin's background? Would be interested in that.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 13, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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Then he goes on to say the affidavit is 'irresponsible' yet he himself is not privy to any unreleased info, is he? If that is the case, it appears that D is grandstanding too.
Dershowitz clearly likes to be in the limelight, but he is discussing the affidavit itself, which needs to stand on its own. Do the contents, warrant the charge? His opinion is that it does not. He is experienced and plenty smart.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 13, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
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he has been suspended from school multiple times and has been found with alot of jewelery that wasnt his.
That's kind of like saying a women deserved getting raped because she was walking alone late at night on a dark street and wearing a short skirt....
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Apr 13, 2012 - 11:52pm PT
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He is experienced and plenty smart.
No doubt!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 14, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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Amos "Grandpa" McCoy:
"What's the matter George, ya get kicked in the head or something?"
You coulda just walked away.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 14, 2012 - 12:41am PT
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zBrown writes:
"What's the matter George, ya get kicked in the head or something? You coulda just walked away."
My Old Man sometimes tells me "sure you may be right, but is this the hill you want to die on?".
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 14, 2012 - 01:21am PT
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Tradman,
I'm not sure whoever taught you about VT self defense law got it right, or perhaps you misunderstood them (or perhaps I misunderstand you).
Below is an explanation of the law of self-defense in VT, as set forth by the Supreme Court of Vermont in State v. Wheelock, 609 A. 2d 972 (1992). That's the court that gets to decide the law and the meaning of statutes in Vermont. The law isn't decided by so called "experts," or people who write articles that may be found in "literature searches," or police chiefs, DAs, self-defense instructors, news reporters, columnists, or anyone else. With some exceptions, opinions from courts are the only opinions that count in trying to figure out what the law is or what a statute means.
A couple of points:
(1) The right of self defense exists even if killing was not actually necessary, so long as it reasonably seemed as if it was.
(2) In Vermont at least, the individual attributes of the defendant must be considered. See the last sentence of the quote, noting that the a "nervous coward" isn't held to the same standard as a "fearless bully."
Bottom line: sounds like Zimmerman may be better off under the law in Vermont as compared to the FL SYG law, as the "nervous coward" description may well describe him. I'm not sure that he get's any credit for being a coward under FL SYG--that's certainly not apparent from the text of the law.
The right of self-defense does not require that one be actually assaulted, so long as the defendant's belief that he is in danger is founded on reasonably perceived circumstances. State v. Wood, 53 Vt. 560, 561, 567 (1881). In State v. Doherty, 72 Vt. 381, 396-97, 48 A. 658, 663 (1900), the reasonableness of defendant's belief was described as follows:
[A]lthough it might not have been necessary to have killed [the victim], if in view of his fear, fright, nervousness, or cowardice, it reasonably seemed to him, he could not be convicted of murder.... It is not whether the necessity actually existed, but whether in fact it reasonably seemed so to the respondent, under all the circumstances of the case, and ... the court [properly instructed] "If the circumstances were such as reasonably to lead the respondent to think that he was in danger of being killed or of great bodily harm by an assault from [the victim], he had a right to defend himself...."
(Emphases added). A jury, then, must assess the reasonableness of a defendant's apprehension, taking into account not only the circumstances with which he is confronted, but his individual attributes as well. Our law does not hold a nervous coward and a fearless bully to an identical reasonable person standard.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Apr 14, 2012 - 01:57am PT
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It seems to me the FL law is not unusual, California's is similar. Sounds like VT may be the same if not more permissive.
I reckon the difference is in the laws that govern the right to walk around with a loaded firearm. From what I've read, Zimmeran would never be given a concealed carry permit in any county in California- obviously for good reason. The combo of a no retreat rule and liberal policy as to letting morons walk around with guns is a recipe for unnecessary shootings.
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