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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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How about's seven day's!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Certainly acquiring a science education perhaps in the hope of (someday) bringing better practices to the practice of living is a constant battle against entropy.
Go-B's posts point to this fairly well, I think.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Really, you're asking Dr. F to give you an entire science education in a post?
Nope. I'm asking for a definition, as in what they have, in one sentence, in the dictionary, for all things big and small.
Suggesting a catalogue of books on objective functioning is a non-answer, reverting back to the myth that if I only knew the map well enough (the quantifications), I'd know all there is to know about the territory, the two being the selfsame things.
You cling to that like it's a granite chickenhead. Sad to say I'm here to tell you it's a hummock.
Your turn for corner and the pointy hat, Fruity. You've earned it.
JL
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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I'll stick with what God said happened, fruit cake! lol
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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The even deeper question,
How much energy should one give to the fight against entropy when it comes to science education, both personally and socially?
Esp taking into account, on a social level, more than half of our semian species is innately more interested in what the kardashians are up to than anything else.
My own answer seems to fluctuate with mood - esp in these political times.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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You can clone but you can't mix sh@t together and create life, impossible!
You must mean improbable. If it were impossible then God could not do it and I'm sure that you think that God can do anything and everything.
So if nothing is impossible then maybe we did come from sh#t mixed together.
Dave
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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How much energy should one give to the fight against entropy when it comes to science education, both personally and socially?
Only as much as is needed to keep the religious types from making the rest of us slaves to their god.
Dave
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Freely you received, freely give!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Yeah, me too!
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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It's odd to have a conversation with a book. I would not call it a dialog though.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Don't worry rectorsquid it's open to everybody but you have to come to God yourself!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Largo
You can just as easily google it as we can.
Try it, and see what it says.
You know, I keep pulling your chains on this one knowing that you have to viable answer and you all keep telling me all I have to do is to google it and viola, thar she blows - the definite answer on how life began, all by its own self, here on earth.
In fact I even provied a web site offering a one million dollar prize for a VIABLE THEORY on how it might have happened. You don't even need to prove it. Just trot it out in a viable peer reviewed scientific publication and you win a million.
So fellahs, if it's that damn easy and self evident, write it up and collect said million.
JL
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Pay up!
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Donald, let us know when you've successfully created a border collie.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Largo, what exactly is the problem with not currently having a clear hypothesis, a viable theory, and not having even gotten the problem space well mapped out? We were in the exact same space in 1889 relative to the transistors, jet turbines, and what the surface of Mars was like. You seem to have some deep-seated issue with us simply not knowing, or you use our current lack of knowledge as a springboard into the supernatural by some other name.
On that front, the creationists have been trying hard of late to don the mantle of science as a peer. I'm now beginning to get the sense you are part of a group who are out the other end of science from the creationists in that you seek to diminish and narrowly scope science as insufficient to the task of informing humanity of the full scale of 'reality'. If that's the case then, sorry, it pretty much puts you in or near the 'New Age' camp (for lack of a better label) and I find that virtually indistinguishable from the creationists other than just being headed in the opposite direction from them.
And I appreciate the ability to distill down what's good about living to some simple 'truths' and core experiences and separating that from religion; but it is a very large leap from there to a "totally impersonal and dimensionless intelligence." And you phrase that as if "totally impersonal and dimensionless" somehow frames it as indescribable and unknowable on one hand yet still readily experientially accessible on the other (presumably if you find 'correct' form of mediation). It's almost like a linguistic and logical metamaterial that cloaks what's good an special about it all from those pitiful scientists and religious nutjobs, but still allows a bleeping cognoscenti access to the mystery.
And, while having years of experience with meditation and experiential flow of all sorts, I have to say you seem to take a leap [of faith and imagination] into a particular 'unknown' I'm not willing to make. What's more, you make essentially the same leap as the interdimensional Sasquatch and UFO folk who have just as much conviction around their unknowable phenomena as you.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Healyje, it's hilarious to se you flopping around trying to jam me in this or that camp of bible thumpers or proto-creationists or New Age hot air duffers but you know perfectly well none of this silly titles fit what I am saying.
At no time in here have you said: Science is limited in this or that way; or, I have no idea what you mean by this so it has to be New Age hot air, since I know all about flow and yada yada.
This is what they call judgement before investigation. And not investigation on your terms. That's the hitch with materialists. You got the yardstick and nothing else - and while it goes unstated, the general belief is that only the yardstick is viable. This is an almost Homeric degree of ignorance that's impenitrable but all but direct experience to the contrary.
JL
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WBraun
climber
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Looks like Joe got spanked.
All those big fancy words don't add up on the street .....
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