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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
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I wonder if all the Fet's, war's, Tkings, et al. can tell us what they want to see happen in Wall Street or gov't to institute a better way?
What are you solutions?
Are you aware that it's likely that George Soros is funding this?
Are you angry with Fast/Furious and Eric Holder?
Does Google and Warren Buffet's tax deficiencies anger you (hiding money)?
Do the Green Energy Stimulus scams piss you off?
Try to answer all the questions. Even if just a yes/no.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
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Tking had no response to the 1,000 plus jobs i posted in montana. yes it is terribly difficult these days but jobs are not handed out on the street corner.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:06pm PT
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war, this is about tkings buddies unemployed and i assumed they were in Montana.
there are jobs out there but it is tough, no doubt.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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whats that got to do with 20 millions job applicants searching for the ability to feed their families?
Nothing. Maybe those people protesting joblessness should protest China.
Thanks for honestly offering answers to my questions. Not!
You're just a bitcher and a whiner. No Solutions. No ideas. Just whining.
EDIT: I believe Tkings is in the Geology field, no?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:19pm PT
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im just making sure ive been counted out of the support of a system wanting you to run a gauntlet simply to keep yourself fed
Yes. It's called earing a living. Do you think you simply deserve to be fed? And at the expense of people who are busting their asses in a 9/5 job?
funny you party favors for the kings of old stick your heads up now
I cannot even understand that. Is English your first language?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
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war thinks his hot air and vitriol should account for something...it does but then again my wife makes me flush after #2.
anyone else think that war is crowley's and norweigians offspring?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:25pm PT
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Not Norwegian's.
He makes more sense than that.
(and when he doesn't, it at least has entertainment value)
Maybe Crowley and F
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
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i do that alot,
bad with the english
You are either lying or you have a sub-secondary school education (which is cool), but I cannot even understand you.
You sound like an Iranian agent. Prolly Hezbollah. Or Quds. Maybe Chinese or N. Korean.
In any regard, you make yourself appear unintelligent and unintelligable.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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war posted this a couple pages back:
Matt Taibbi writes in Rolling Stone that "the [Occupy Wall Street] movement's basic strategy – to build numbers and stay in the fight, rather than tying itself to any particular set of principles – makes a lot of sense early on." However, he says, "the time is rapidly approaching when the movement is going to have to offer concrete solutions to the problems posed by Wall Street."
Taibbi offers the protesters a "short but powerful" list of demands that he thinks they should get behind. And they make a lot of sense! Here they are:
1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.
2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.
3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.
4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.
5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/my-advice-to-the-occupy-wall-street-protesters-20111012
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
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What are you solutions?
Are you aware that it's likely that George Soros is funding this?
Are you angry with Fast/Furious and Eric Holder?
Does Google and Warren Buffet's tax deficiencies anger you (hiding money)?
Do the Green Energy Stimulus scams piss you off?
Well I can only talk of my perspective which is probably much more centrist than others supporting OWS. But it seems to you there is only conservative or liberal which is a shame, because they both are typically off base when it comes to pragmatic solutions.
I don't care if Soros is funding it. I don't waste any of my time reading about what bad old George is up to, you shouldn't either. So what if he is, I can think of much worse ways for a billionaire to spend him money than trying to reduce the inequality of wealth/income in America. Do you care that The Kock Bros fund the "grassroots" Tea Party?
Haven't read about Fast Furious, all I can say is it's very lame to name a govt. program after a cookie cutter Hollywood movie!
Any scams piss me off. But they piss me off in relation to how much it costs the US taxpayer. Any green energy scams pale in comparison to the scams that happened during the $Trillion Iraq war e.g. Dick Cheney's company ripping us off. I think we should be investing in green energy not only for the environment but for the competitiveness of America, so it does piss me off extra when a scam hurts this effort.
Don't know about Google/Buffet's tax. But I think it's cool for Buffet to call for higher taxes on the wealthy when he knows it will hit him personally, but it will be better for the country. I just watched a documentary on George Washington, at the end of the Revolutionary War he said he would step down as commander in chief effectively giving up king like power. King George of England said if he did that he would be the greatest man in the world. And sure enough he did. Some people have enough honor that they will give up power/money for themselves for the betterment of their country or the world. I don't know if anyone will ever be able to live up to such an extreme example as Washington set but I don't think the "greed is good" crowd would even do anything like that!
As Norton reposted the OWS/Rolling Stone demands are a decent start for solutions, I like the results they want but I'm not in agreement with the methods they propose to get there. This isn't about taking money from hard working 9-5ers and giving it to lazy welfare bums. It's about how the 1% and even more so the 0.1% are taking such a huge share of the wealth of this country that it is leading to huge problems in the economy. Historically this happened before the great depression. And compared to the rest of the world we are way off. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and the middle class become poor is going to screw almost all of us in the long run.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:49pm PT
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What does Norton think about re-instating Glass-Steigal and the "uptick rule"???
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 13, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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but FACT: Fux News Corp DID fund the Tea Baggers,
Prove it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
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Well I can only talk of my perspective which is probably much more centrist than others supporting OWS. But it seems to you there is only conservative or liberal which is a shame, because they both are typically off base when it comes to pragmatic solutions.
Well, I'm tired of "independents" of trying to have sh#t both ways. We have a financial crisis at hand. Pick a f*#king side! Either you want to tax people more to maintain Keynsian crap, or you say let people keep more money legally.
I don't care if Soros is funding it. I don't waste any of my time reading about what bad old George is up to, you shouldn't either. So what if he is, I can think of much worse ways for a billionaire to spend him money than trying to reduce the inequality of wealth/income in America. Do you care that The Kock Bros fund the "grassroots" Tea Party?
You're wrong. So the Koch bros had ill-will but Soros doesn't on an opposed position? Only the right, or TPers are funded by big-money? Let's just disregard the Soros connection? Your bias shows despite your claims of perceived 'independant superiority'. You aint!
Haven't read about Fast Furious, all I can say is it's very lame to name a govt. program after a cookie cutter Hollywood movie!
Any scams piss me off. But they piss me off in relation to how much it costs the US taxpayer. Any green energy scams pale in comparison to the scams that happened during the $Trillion Iraq war e.g. Dick Cheney's company ripping us off. I think we should be investing in green energy not only for the environment but for the competitiveness of America, so it does piss me off extra when a scam hurts this effort.
Wrong again. If the Head US LEO agent can perpetuate this kind of program, what can't they do? This might be an impeachable offense.
Don't know about Google/Buffet's tax. But I think it's cool for Buffet to call for higher taxes on the wealthy when he knows it will hit him personally, but it will be better for the country. I just watched a documentary on George Washington, at the end of the Revolutionary War he said he would step down as commander in chief effectively giving up king like power. King George of England said if he did that he would be the greatest man in the world. And sure enough he did. Some people have enough honor that they will give up power/money for themselves for the betterment of their country or the world. I don't know if anyone will ever be able to live up to such an extreme example as Washington set but I don't think the "greed is good" crowd would even do anything like that!
Google it. Or wait, Google may be screening those searches. Use a different search engine for details of Google and Buffet hiding cash and not paying 'their fair share'.
Hypocrites?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:09pm PT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png
This is what's lame about the Tea Party, instead of talking about cutting defense, SS, or medicare, the huge blocks, they complain about welfare and other small portions of small blocks. If we are serious about cutting spending we have to look at the whole pie. Welfare fraud pissed me off too but I know we could eliminate all welfare and still have a huge problem. I also would think 'fiscal conservatives' first goal would be to balance the budget (that's how I run MY finances) but they just talk about cutting spending AND taxes. There's not way we should be cutting taxes until we can balance the budget. That's like if I said I don't feel like working so much I'll cut back my hours and pay without lowering my expenses, just dumb and unrealistic.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
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I also would think 'fiscal conservatives' first goal would be to balance the budget (that's how I run MY finances) but they just talk about cutting spending AND taxes. There's not way we should be cutting taxes until we can balance the budget. That's like if I said I don't feel like working so much I'll cut back my hours and pay without lowering my expenses, just dumb and unrealistic.
We've tried. You know who holds it up?
Keeping taxes static and lowering spending was the name of the game. Agree?
Wes, hold on for a reply....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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I'll answer your stupid questions, even though you refuse to answer other, more applicable questions.
Ask me a question.
Likely? Based on what? Not just likely... but FACT: Fux News Corp DID fund the Tea Baggers, does that bother you? If George Soros was funding OWS, don't you think he would at least spring for some toilets?
Great way to answer a question, though satire. It appears AdBusters took money to promote people.
Less than water boarding, domestic wire tapping, invading a sovereign nation using fabricated intelligence, and the 3 decade old ineffective drug war that is responsible for the Mexican cartels in the first place.
Obama is better? I agree with enhanced interrogations. Do you like Drone zaps? Should we invade Pakistan to 'acquire' people instead of just killing shitcocks?
Less than this? Defense spending is what keeps you and your brethren safe from outside invaders.
Less than a $640 toilet seat for the military.
Yeah, that's super-f*#ked up. I can explain how to fix that.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:18pm PT
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No Bluey we could cut spending and leave tax revenues where they are. I'm not saying that's what we should do but we could. I think we need to cut spending AND raise taxes and balance the budget.
You bias is showing in how you read into my comments. I don't think it's wrong for Soros or the Koch's to fund what the believe in. I do think it's more honorable to fund things that will cost you personally than keep more money in your own pocket.
If google/buffett did anything illegal to hide wealth than yes that's wrong. If they were justing taking advantage of the same loopholes that everyone uses that's ok.
Sorry folks gotta go.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:26pm PT
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You bias is showing in how you read into my comments. I don't think it's wrong for Soros or the Koch's to fund what the believe in. I do think it's more honorable to fund things that will cost you personally than keep more money in your own pocket.
If google/buffett did anything illegal to hide wealth than yes that's wrong. If they were justing taking advantage of the same loopholes that everyone uses that's ok.
Valid point....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:38pm PT
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Ok Blue, I am asking YOU to show proof that Soros funding the protestors.
You state it as if it is a fact.
Therefore, given your powerful knack for credible source fact verifying BEFORE you speak,
show your sources?
I won't ask you for three credible sources, how about JUST ONE CREDIBLE SOURCE.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 13, 2011 - 09:57pm PT
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The Fet writes:
"But I think it's cool for Buffet to call for higher taxes on the wealthy when he knows it will hit him personally, but it will be better for the country."
Maybe it would be cool, if that's indeed what Buffet was doing.
But he's not calling for tax increases that would hit him personally.
Buffet's calling for higher income taxes.
Buffet makes most of his money on capital gains. Remember? That's how he pays a lower rate than his secretary.
Higher income taxes wouldn't hit Buffet - and he knows it - but it would have the effect of making it tougher on those who aspire to be in Buffet's position.
What Buffet's trying to do is pull up the ladder, not help out his secretary.
Don't let Buffet dupe you.
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