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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
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So blast away until you have killed the last brown bear as well!
Wow! How did tooth post this from a century ago?
Just had to point out a common error made by "city folk".
My feelings (which matter not) are that we'd be better off if the California browns had not been extirpated, but you are unlikely to see them reintroduced.
But nature will have her revenge in the end when human population crashes as a result of our hubris and folly.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 25, 2011 - 04:28pm PT
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When I hiked the PCT years ago, there was a guy on the trail who heard that mothballs would keep the bears away. For the life of me, I couldn't understand how those tiny testes would keep an ursine intruder at bay.
Anyway, the guy eventually bailed on the trail and said that his food boxes at resupplies were up for grabs- everything reeked of mothballs. I tried eating the granola, but wound up burping mothballs all day long. (hmm. That sounds a little strange.)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2011 - 08:49pm PT
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Easy for YOU to say. You already HAVE the snappy outfit.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 25, 2011 - 09:01pm PT
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not overly happy to see hunters killed by bears, but one can't claim hunting is a sport unless it is at least occasionally sporting
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Where are you bound?
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Sep 25, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
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Or 'sporty', anyway.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2011 - 09:13pm PT
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Hope you got rid of the smell first.
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Sep 25, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
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Hmmmmmm. Calling me out for holding a bird (which flew away) by a guy who does what to bears?
My point is that just the fact that bears could harm you is too often enough to justify killing one. And we are so used to populations diminishing that when they stabilize or grow or rebound we figure it is time to start shooting them again. It makes sense and is used as a great argument until we think about it.
Ive been lucky enough to see half a dozen moose, plus wolves, foxes, bears, hundreds of deer and some other stuff in the past few weeks in the bush. I think if there were too many their food would disappear and they would starve, have fewer offspring and automatically control their population, no?
Do bears really get enough food from Cragman's house etc. to support themselves for more than a day? No. But if we as a society don't want to clean up and protect the bear food around our homes we will have to continue to shoot them when they are successful in accessing that food - because they won't quit eating.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Oct 19, 2011 - 04:46pm PT
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Cragman! gnarly real life story that few of us can really relate to.
Climbed with Doug Englekirk in soyo last weekend and he related this story so I had to check it out. Wow! Glad you came out on top of this experience.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Oct 19, 2011 - 05:03pm PT
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I know, dude can barely climb...
I put up with him though 'cause he's short and a nice guy.
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Jan 20, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
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40 S&W killed the bear, wow...
Hopefully you have stopped shaking by now...
Don't feed the bears people, stuff like this happens as a result....
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kennyt
climber
California
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Jan 21, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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Pleas, don't start the it was him or us thing again
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Aug 29, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
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GREAT FALLS, Mont. – A Montana rancher shot and killed a black bear that
scaled a tall fence and broke into his house to rummage for food this week
along the Rocky Mountain Front.
..dispatched the bear with a rifle.
His government supplied anti-grizzly bear electric fence that encloses the
yard was turned off due to severe fire conditions in the area -one
tumbleweed blown against the fence and you've got a wild fire. His kids
were at a relatives house probably because they were not safe from bears
without its protection.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/29/montana-rancher-shoots-black-bear-that-broke-into-home/
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Aug 29, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
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Bears on the rampage! Run for your life.
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-woman-survives-bear-attack-in-paxson-20120827,0,6765288.story
GRIZZLY BEAR ATTACKS COLLEGE STUDENT drags her before manages to escape.
Doctors are working to reconstruct her hand.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/270135/81/Grizzly-bear-kills-hiker-in-Denali-National-Park
Aur 25 2012 Grizzly bear kills then eats hiker in Denali NP
Bear was shot from a helicopter Saturday afternoon next to the mans body.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/07/grizzly-bear-kills-hiker-in-yellowstone-national-park.html
http://www.blackbearheaven.com/grizzly-bear-kills-campers.htm
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-05-31/news/27065858_1_grizzly-hiker-park-rangers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/7841850/Bear-kills-hiker-in-Yellowstone-National-Park-hours-after-it-was-trapped-and-tranquilised.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/08/fatal-bear-attack-in-yellowstone-second-one-this-year.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283834,00.html
Utah Boy Dragged From Tent, Killed By Black Bear During Camping Trip
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705371952/Judge-awards-195-million-to-family-of-boy-killed-by-bear-in-American-Fork-Canyon.html?pg=all
Judge awards $1.95 million to family of boy killed by bear in American Fork Canyon Utah
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8021101/Woman-fends-of-bear-attack-with-courgette.html
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=6302040
Kern County California 2008 : I found myself down on the ground. I heard, 'Chomp, chomp, chomp.' I felt teeth go through my skull. I felt it bite through my eye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUeQTcbfss0&feature=related
grizzly charges at fishermen on shore then takes their salmon
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 29, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
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All that would do is piss it off BAD! Then you have a rogue bear running around to deal with.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 29, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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hey there say, corniss chopper,
i remember reading that article about the denai park man, ...
the warnings were hopefully to have given him a chance...
sadly, though, campers have no warnings, :(
bears are not fun, :(
thanks for sharing for warnings to us all...
i know a few folks in montana, and such places...
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 29, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
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Cragman, trying to get a hold you, send me an email.
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~kief~
Trad climber
state of Awakening
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Aug 29, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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wish i coulda missed this thread second time around.
ONE warning shot,and the bear would have bolted.
many people that CAN LIVE with bears keep firecrackers handy.
cragman,you say it kills you to have to shoot it,
Just the fact you have to post about it,then stand proudly over the
poor creature with gun in hand,tells me otherwise.
shot in the driveway,.....trying to run away.SAD
bear was never IN your house.
Steve searles would have handled it differently.
last summer in Tahoe,near the time this happened,a second home-owner
chased a bear off his deck,the bear climbed up a tree,that was not enough
for him,he went in got his gun and shot her out of the tree...dead
what was even more sad is she had a cub,who wondered around for days
crying,not sure what happened to the cub.
and sadly the Tahoe DA decided not to press charges on the homeowner.
shooting a bear out of a tree,in self defense....really?
YOU,WE,anyone in the mountains are in the bears land.
what have you done since this incident to help educate people
and LIVE WITH bears?
or,are there no problems..my gun cant fix?
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 29, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
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kief,
i agree with what "thaDood" (since i know him rather well, lol) had to say about the matter, some of it in the heat of things, but, something to reflect on! But, what he didn't get the chance to say, and would like to now add (or so he has suggested, lol) is...how would you have acted under the situation knowing that it cud a been yer seven year old daughter who had encountered him (mr. bear) instead of you. And, if we are to believe what Dean said (and i do) that the bear had attempted to break into his neighbors house the day before and perhaps 10-12 other places recently, how would have you reacted? (particularly in the light of having young children present)!!
I am not attempting to reopen or bring new light to the conversation, it is just something I had thought about and hadn't brought up (maybe someone else has?)!!
I do feel for the bear (sure in fuc.k did not shed any tears, nor did i weep over bambi as a kid). And I still feel as though there was some disrespect in the follow up banter. Like i already said, it was only doing what it had been trained to do by its mother. And that was secondary to the whole damned bear situation and people either feeding them and leaving trash out, etc.! Like I said previously, I lived in mammoth from '74-84 and frequented it regularly for 10 years after and never saw one damn bear in those 20+ years. Things have definitely changed! Why? Answer = Negligent people!! And the bears are the ones that suffer...sigh!
edit: here in San Diego back a couple decades or so (around the time it was declared "America's Finest City", lol) we started getting a huge influx of homeless peeps, mostly lifetime derelicts & winos, etc, (not judging them, that simply was the case, they did not want any intervention). Anyway, authorities started inquiring why and how they decided on SD and the predominant answer was that their city offered them a oneway ticket to sunny California & highlighted the fact that it was "America's Finest City"! If ya don't believe me, check it out for yerself. Major influx of homeless from all over the nation that got the same idea! Florida (Miami) was one of the first!!
Anyway, why not round up all the bears and give them a one-way-ticket to Aspen, Incline Village, or Sun Valley, etc! Midnight delivery. Just sayin...!
EDIT: (edit/edit)...
@ms55401, next time ya hear a racket and suspect it is a bear attempting to break into yer house, just send down yer 7y.o. daughter and tell her to shoo it away. Give her a firecracker like someone suggested, that should do the trick, eh? lol
@Apogee, maybe i missed something, but, what the hell has this got to do with the "liberals"? It was prollie all types of people feeding the bears or leaving food/garbage out in dumpsters, etc.! i had friends who use to dumpster dive a couple times a week (during hard times) at the local/Mammoth Vons dumpster! Good food, just one day after it expired, nothing really wrong with it, just couldn't be sold!! Problem was, the bears arrived and sooner or later followed suit!
Like i said previously, i have a lot of sympathy for the bears, had a lot of encounters with them during my years in Yose, TM and elsewhere. "Shooed" them away countless times, sometimes resorted to chasing them up trees, etc! They never turned on me or displayed any inclinations to do so. I am not talking about one or two times, I am talking about dozens. I was careful not to corner one though, they prollie would have the instinct to defend themselves in such a situation. I don't believe i would have shot the bear, but, i wasn't there. And i don't have a seven year old daughter.**
~~ **And i wud not like to find out what wuda happened to her had she cornered it (as in Deans situation) firecracker, or no firecracker...just sayin! So cut him ("cragster") a little slack!!
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Aug 29, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
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what I really liked was how cragster blamed the hippy-dipshit locals for the bear's death
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