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johndoeX
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NY
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As subtlety clearly isn't working (thanks, Mimi!), perhaps we should get a complete list of the 3,000 or so who died. Virtually all identified, with family, friends, jobs, etc, etc. Then the truthers here can contact the family of each and every one of the dead, and ask where they're being hidden. It defies any logic or sense for anyone to believe that somehow 3,000 dead people aren't really dead, and are being hidden by the government, without even one of them escaping or being found in the last nine years.
Nice strawman, but no one is claiming people weren't murdered on 9/11.
Matter of fact, many family members and survivors are speaking out. Do you think they are nutjobs as well? Why don't you contact these people and tell them they are chasing a fantasy.
Family Steering Committee - Unanswered Questions
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html
Carol Ashley, mother of Janice Ashley, 25
Fred Alger Management, 93rd floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: Rockville Centre, NY
Member: Skyscraper Safety Campaign, Voices of September 11th,
Kristen Breitweiser, wife of Ronald Breitweiser, 39
Fiduciary Trust International, WTC Tower Two
Hometown: Middletown Township, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
Patty Casazza, wife of John F. Casazza, 38
Cantor Fitzgerald, 104th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: Colts Neck, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
Beverly Eckert, wife of Sean Rooney
Aon, WTC Tower Two
Hometown: Stamford, CT
Member: Skyscraper Safety Campaign, Coalition of 9/11 Families,
Families of September 11th, Fix the Fund, 9/11 Families for a Secure America,
9/11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, 9/11 Families to Bankrupt Terrorism
Mary Fetchet, mother of Bradley James Fetchet, 24
Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, 89th floor, WTC Tower Two
Hometown: New Canaan, CT
Chair, Voices of September 11th
Member: Skyscraper Safety Campaign, Coalition of 9/11 Families,
LMDC Families Advisory Council
Monica Gabrielle , wife of Richard Gabrielle
Aon, WTC Tower Two
Hometown: Manhattan, NY and CT
Co-Chair, Skyscraper Safety Campaign
Bill Harvey, husband of Sara Manley Harvey, 31
Fred Alger Management, 93rd floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: Manhattan, NY
Member: Voices of September 11th
Mindy Kleinberg, wife of Alan Kleinberg, 39
Cantor Fitzgerald, 104th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: East Brunswick, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
Carie Lemack, daughter of Judy Larocque
Market Perspectives; passenger, American Airlines Flight 11
Hometown: Cambridge, MA
Co-Founder and Vice-President, Families of September 11th
Sally Regenhard, mother of Christian Michael Otto Regenhard, 28
Probationary Firefighter, L131, Red Hook, missing at WTC
Hometown: Bronx, NY
Founder and Chairperson, Skyscraper Safety Campaign
Member: Coalition of 9/11 Families, 9/11 Families for a Secure America,
LMDC Families Advisory Council
Lorie Van Auken, wife of Kenneth Van Auken, 47
Cantor Fitzgerald, 105th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: East Brunswick, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
Robin Wiener, sister of Jeffrey Wiener, 33
Marsh Risk Technologies, 96th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: Washington, D.C.
Board Member, Families of September 11th
Member: Voices of September 11, Give Your Voice,
WTC United Family Group
Bob McIlvaine - "I am 100% positive that our Govt orchestrated the murder of my son..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_t74I-nLas
300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members Question 9/11
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html
9/11 Press For Truth - Widows of 9/11 Speak out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#
Pilots For 9/11 Truth Sign Affidavit In Lawsuit Brought By Pentagon Survivor
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon_lawsuit.html
Need more?
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Actually Skippy, its 6am in NY... (now 9) the world has time zones Skippy. Pilots fly through them often.. For all you know, I could be in London today. Can you guess what time it is? :-)
pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org
I'll be waiting for your email...
Or, you can use our contact page... i'll get that email too...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/contact
:-)
And once again, if we were in it for the money... why have i posted our presentations on the web for free (you seem to ignore this question every time asked Skippy.. not surprised).
Click some links Skippy, go learn something.
Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two, Flight Of American 77
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7751
Flight Of United 93 Now On Google Video, Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Three
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10228
9/11: Attack On The Pentagon - Official Release, Full Film Now Available to the Public on Google
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15054
9/11: The North Flight Path (official Release), Aerodynamically Possible - Witness Compatible
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15854
Full Film - 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, Embedded and Streaming here!
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19732
With that said, just as this website sells products to raise funds to operate, so do we. However, we dont use Google Ad's as does this site. We are up against multi-billion dollar propaganda machines such as Fox News and CNN. I'm not surprised you would attempt to attack our support structure as it is clear you cannot debate the facts and data.
Its simple Skippy, clearly you dont agree with our existence, so dont support us, and you can still review our work for free. Those that do agree with our right to question authority, grow, analyze data, and present it, we appreciate and thank you for your support.
And, as the great Judge Judy likes to say:
"If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true."
Agreed, that is why the lists grow with so many professionals speaking out about the fact the govt story of 9/11, just doesnt make sense.
http://patriotsquestion911.com
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Edit to add; As far as the "hits = $" issue goes, have any of you condemning JDX considered that this site exists because of "hits"? If JDX was curious about a large number of hits from a particularly curious group it is reasonable that he would check in. Do you realize that the hits from ST that fueled his curiosity also rang up some coin for Chris Mac?
Or do you constantly live in a world of hypocritical double standards?
Geez, the guy is a professional pilot, a fairly lucrative job and his 9-11 truth postings, if anything, make him a target. He's obviously not doing it "for the money" and there would be plenty of other ways to make extra.
How many extra hits from supertopo would add up to enough to spend personal time posting here? I wanna know, maybe I'll put adds on my site.
Most likely he's a patriot and cares of what happened.
To a pickpocket, the whole world looks like a pocket
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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They don't let him(Rob Balsamo) fly anymore Karl. Not commercially, health problems.
His job 24/7 is to monitor his logs, then make his cut/paste dumps and responses into the forums that are giving the hits. This pumps his cd/dvd sales and hits.
Been like that for many years now.
And that 'patriot' has banned hundreds from his own forum, and the old Loose Change forums.
see:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t4632.html
And just to show im not 'in this for the money'... if i get on The View to discuss PBB2 and the FDR.. .i'll donate all proceeds from the increased hits to John Conner (minus a few duckets to take care of my own supporters who havent asked for a thing) while i live in my shitty apartment with my health problems (man it would be so much easier flying a corporate jet for 100k per year).
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sounded to me like JDX dealt with his health issues and was flying again.
But I have reading comprehension so what do I know?
And he's not even a climber so what does he know?
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Mimi
climber
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Glimmer dimmer and Rok, I don't consider this Rob guy, aka Truther Extraordinaire, a guest at all. Nice try but this is a climbing forum, not high tea.
Rok, sorry if I missed the guy's name. I regret getting on this thread at all and couldn't stomach reading all the posts. Not sure why you don't happen to know who I am at this point.
Hawk, glad we finally agree on something! LOL!
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Hardly. The 4000tt hours he lists is from years ago.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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The "hits" came to him from tacos clicking links other tacos posted.
And as usual you're wrong about public interest in his site.
And you're wrong about the credibility of the people supporting his site.
And you're just plain wrong. Which has been shown to you repeatedly to no avail.
The problem with you and Mimi (and the other apologists for the Bush crimes) is that you just refuse to acknowledge that you could be even a little wrong. That would too seriously challenge the fantasies of your world and domestic view.
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Mimi
climber
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"The problem with you and Mimi (and the other apologists for the Bush crimes) is that you just refuse to acknowledge that you could be even a little wrong. That would too seriously challenge the fantasies of your world and domestic view." philo
BELIEVE what you want. You are wrongheaded in your support for 911Truth, etc. You can't be a little wrong on this one. It's all or none.
Reasonable people who did not support the previous administration agree that this was not an inside job. I'm hardly taking an absolutist position but it's easier for you to characterize my views that way.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Skippy,
You are a mean spirited clown.
Mimi,
Anyone can come here and post. It is public not private.
Sure, it would be nice for everyone to have something in common -- climbing. But when we talk about all kinds of unrelated topics as we do here on the SuperTaco, and someone chimes in who is very much involved with the issue, I say welcome.
Welcome JDX. You are indeed welcome here anytime you want to chime in. We all have a lot to learn. Especially, those who don't research, read, or have good reading comprehension (I won't mention their names to not publically flog them or embarrass them anymore. They know who they are, and so do we.)
He did admit he climbs at 10,000ft/min. OK, that is in an aircraft. So, let's just say he "Aid" climbs at 10,000ft./min (lol).
Me thinks a few on ST complain and profess too much. Apparently you all don't like getting "schooled" publically and it shows.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Inside job or not, the facts prove the Bush administration's "Official" story- that was force fed to the American sheeple-was a complete fabrication. Even you should be able to see the inconsistencies, improbabilities and in some cases absolute ludicrousness of those claims.
Or, self assured as you are in the sanctity of Popular Mechanics experts, have you never bothered to actually check on any of the alternate information?
Time will unravel more of the deception and some day even you will have doubts.
It's OK, you can then just blame it on Obama.
And Skiptotheloo, you can't handle the truth.
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WBraun
climber
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Why the CIA withheld information on Mihdhar and Hazmi from the FBI Cole bombing investigators
Posted by rschop in September 11
Fri Jul 02nd 2010, 10:09 AM
I am reposting this again so my response is complete on not only as to why the CIA maintained secrecy in this case, but also to show that was possible to pierce this secrecy and find out exactly what had happened at the CIA and FBI HQ prior to the attacks on 9/11 that had allowed these attacks to take place.
“I hate to say it, but unless anyone here can provide any new information and not their OPINION to effectively refute any of the evidence I had obtained, they should politely keep their comments to themselves."
From Thu Jan 14th 2010, 09:43 PM
The CIA and FBI HQ found out that both Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands. Yet the CIA and FBI HQ deliberately withheld this information from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing.
But the CIA had been deliberately hiding the names Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi from the FBI Cole bombing investigators since the Cole bombing had taken place. When Walid Bin Attash, the mastermind of the Cole bombing, had been identified from a photograph of him taken at the al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, and the CIA also had photos of Mihdhar and Hazmi at the same meeting they knew, that these three long time al Qaeda terrorists had been part of the planning of the Cole bombing that had taken place at this meeting. The CIA also knew if the FBI Cole bombing investigators ever became aware of this information, it would expose the CIA culpability in allowing these attacks to have taken place. Just after Bin Attash had been identified at Kuala Lumpur the CIA started a massive wide ranging criminal conspiracy to hide this information from the FBI Cole bombing investigators.
There is direct evidence of the involvement in this conspiracy of Cofer Black, George Tenet, John Gannon, and the CIA Yemen station, the CIA Pakistan Station, the CIA Bin Laden unit with Richard Blee as its Chief, and Tom Wilshire, Deputy Chief of the Bin Laden unit. Wilshire had even been moved over to be Deputy Chief of the ITOS unit at the FBI in mid-May 2001 by Black and Tenet, with the concurrence of Freeh and Rolince, in order to find out what the FBI Cole criminal investigators had found out about the Kuala Lumpur meeting, and if they had found out that Mihdhar and Hazmi had been at that meeting with Walid bin Attash actually planning the bombing of the USS Cole.
It is clear from the DE 939 “Substitution for the testimony of John”, aka Tom Wilshire, entered into the Moussaoui trial, that Wilshire in his July 23, 2001 email back to his CTC managers, Richard Blee, Chief of the Bin Laden unit, Cofer Black, head of the CIA CTC unit, and Director of the CIA George Tenet, clearly stated that Mihdhar would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack.
Wilshire had already indicated, according to the DOJ IG report, in his July 5, 2001 email to his CTC managers that he thought at this point in time, that the people at Kuala Lumpur meeting were connected to the warnings the CIA and FBI had been receiving about a huge al Qaeda attack since April 2001.
It is also clear from document, DE 939, that Wilshire had been forbidden twice from giving this information to the FBI criminal investigators, by his CTC managers at the CIA on July 13, 2001, and again on July 23, 2001.
So it is clear the instructions to hide the information on the Kuala Lumpur meeting and the names Khalid al-Mihdhar, and Nawaf al-Hazmi from the FBI criminal investigators came from the very top of the CIA management at the very same time, that they were holding urgent meetings in the White House with Rice and Clarke, on July 10, 2001, and with Ashcroft and Rumsfeld on July 17, 2001 warning them a huge attack was just about to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans.
According to Bob Woodward’s book, State of Denial, Tenet and Black had already held a meeting with Richard Blee and other CIA managers earlier in July to ask where they all thought the massive al Qaeda attack they were being warned about would take place. The room went silent when Richard Blee stated, “They are coming here!”
On August 22, 2001, less than one month after Wilshire’s July 23, 2001 email to his CTC mangers on Mihdhar, FBI IOS Agent Margaret Gillespie at the CIA Bin Laden unit found out from the INS that both Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US and took this information to FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi and CIA officer Tom Wilshire. Note on July 24, 2001 Gillespie had already found the CIR on Mihdhar’s travels to Kuala Lumpur and his US multi-entry visa that specified New York City as his destination, written up by FBI IOS Agent Doug Miller at the CIA Bin Laden unit on January 5, 2000. This CIR that had written on the bottom; “Blocked by order of the Deputy Chief” (of the bin Laden unit, Tom Wilshire).
Wilshire and Corsi started to put together the EC to start an investigation of Mihdhar on August 22, 2001. Document DE 469 from the Moussaoui trial is the actual EC written up by FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi, that connected both Mihdhar and Hazmi not only to the east Africa bombings, but also to the Cole bombing.
When FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, supervisor of the FBI Cole bombing investigators in New York, accidentally got Corsi’s EC to start an intelligence investigation of Mihdhar on August 28, 2001 he called Corsi to demand that the criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi go to his FBI Cole investigating team. Corsi told him that he could not investigate Mihdhar and Hazmi due to the restrictions on NSA information going to FBI criminal investigators.
But it is clear from DE 448, the release from the NSA to Corsi, that the NSA had already approved FBI Agent Dina Corsi to pass the NSA information on Mihdhar and Hazmi and the fact they attended the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting to the FBI criminal investigators in New York, on August 27, 2001 in a release that was sent to Corsi on August 28, 2001. The release even listed the recipients as “The FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators in New York”, Steve Bongardt and his team.
Page 306 of the DOJ IG report says:
Bongardt received the EC, Corsi’s EC, on August 28. Shortly thereafter, Bongardt, Corsi, and Rod Middleton, (Corsi’s boss), engaged in a conference call to discuss whether the case should be opened as a criminal instead of an intelligence investigation. Corsi told the OIG that the information on Mihdhar was received through intelligence channels and, because of restrictions on using intelligence information, could not be provided directly to the criminal agents working the Cole investigation. Rod Middleton told the OIG he had concurred with Corsi’s assessment that the matter should be an intelligence investigation.
Corsi with Rod Middleton’s concurrence ordered Bongardt to not have anything to do with any investigation of Mihdhar and to destroy any and all information that he had on Mihdhar. She later tells him, as described in the September 20, 2002 public hearings for the Joint Inquiry of 9/11, that if one piece of paper ever surfaced at the FBI with his name and Mihdhar’s name, he was through as an FBI Agent at the FBI.
Since Bongardt did not see any connection between the NSA information to any FISA warrant, he asked Corsi on August 28, 2001 to get a legal ruling from the NSLU, the legal unit at FBI HQ on this issue, to see if he and his team could take part in the investigation and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi.
On August 29, 2001, Corsi tells Bongardt that the NSLU attorney had ruled that Bongardt and his team could have no part in any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.
Email, from FBI Special Agent Steve Bongardt back to Dina Corsi, 908/29 8:38 AM said:
Dina- where is "the wall" defined? Isn't it dealing with FISA information"? I think everyone is still confusing this issue. I know we discussed this issue ad nasuseum but "the wall" concept grew out of the fear that FISA would be obtained as opposed to a Title III.
Bongardt even told Corsi when she told him that he could take part in the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, “why do you think they are in the US, do you think they are going to f**king Disney Land!” It is clear that Bongardt knew immediately when he found out that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US that these long time al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack!
Sherry Sabol is the NSLU attorney that Corsi had contacted and from Sabol’s testimony to DOJ IG investigators, on November 7, 2002, it is clear that Sabol had ruled in fact just the opposite from what Corsi had told FBI Agent Bongardt. Sabol had ruled that Bongardt and his team could be part of any investigation and search for of Mihdhar since the NSA information had no connection to any FISA warrant.
Sabol told Corsi said if she was still confused she, (Corsi) could go and get a ruling from the NSA, unaware Corsi had already obtained approval from the NSA to transfer the NSA information over to the FBI two days earlier on August 27, 2001. See testimony of Sherry Sabol, 9/11 Commission report p 538, footnote 81.
According to the DOJ IG report, on August 30, 2001 the photograph of Walid Bin Attash, mastermind of the Cole bombing, taken at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000 was sent by the CIA to Rod Middleton, Corsi’s supervisor. So on this date, Middleton has photographic proof that Mihdhar and Hazmi, who also had been photographed at this meeting, were at the Kuala Lumpur meeting with Bin Attash actually planning the Cole bombing. This is a crime and directly connectes both Mihdhjar and Hazmi, who the FBI criminal investigators now knew were inside of the US, to the crime of planning the Cole bombing.
The DOJ IG report had stated that on August 22, 2001, FBI Agent Dina Corsi was already aware that the CIA had this photograph of Bin Attash taken at Kuala Lumpur and even knew that the CIA had been deliberately keeping this photograph and the fact that Bin Attash had been at this Kuala Lumpur meeting with Mihdhar and Hazmi planning the Cole bombing, secret from the FBI Cole bombing investigators in New York and their supervisor FBI Agent Steve Bongardt. This information clearly meant that the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi should have gone to FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his team, since this was the photographic proof that both Mihdhar and Hazmi, known to be long time al Qaeda terrorists connected to the east Africa bombings, had also taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing.
And yet in spite of this information and the fact that on August 28, 2001 Middleton, had been on the phone call with Corsi and Bongardt, shutting down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, Middleton never called Bongardt back to undo the damage he had done in shutting down this investigation earlier.
The CIA working with these FBI HQ agents had not only criminally withheld critical information from the Cole bombing investigators in a massive criminal conspiracy, but had then shut down Bongardt’s investigation when Bongardt accidentally found out that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US and knew these al Qaeda terrorists were here only in order to take part in another horrific al Qaeda terrorists attack.
It is now clear that the CIA working with FBI HQ agents they had subjugated had intentionally shut down the only FBI criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, prior to the attacks on 9/11 that could have prevented these attacks from taking place. Since shutting down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi was deliberate, it is all but impossible to believe that when the CIA and FBI HQ shut down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that they all, including the senior managers at the CIA and even the FBI who were directing the actions of Wilshire, Corsi and Middleton, did not know that thousands of Americans were going to perish as a direct result of their actions.
See my Journal and/or www.eventson911.com for additional details on all of this, including the documents that actually are the proof for all of this!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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And who are yo Skiptotheloo?
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Welcome JDX. You are indeed welcome here anytime you want to chime in. We all have a lot to learn. Especially, those who don't research, read, or have good reading comprehension (I won't mention their names to not publically flog them or embarrass them anymore. They know who they are, and so do we.)
Thanks Klimmer.
For those of you who think I have health issues and not flying, please visit...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7163
See Claim 1 in above link.
I posted this link before for Monolith (and the other doubters), but they get confused with facts.
I haven't updated my totals/employers on the site since I posted them in 2006. The reason being is that the totals/employers listed are sufficient for its purpose, and the fact idiots want to call current employers to harass and attempt termination. Case in point. This from an anonymous idiot who is obsessed with our work.
"He does not have a current Medical Certificate. Believe me, there are plenty of people who will be very interested if he renews it..... "
My medical (Flight physical) was renewed without a hitch. You can check this at faa.gov.
The same idiot then posted...
"He has been quite mum since he renewed his physical, so I don't know what he's doing now, and don't really care. However, rest assured that I along with several others will immediately notify his employer about his activities and lack of good judgment if I find out where he's flying (if, in fact, he is). "
The Nazi's tried the same tactic with their dissenters.
Most likely he's a patriot and cares of what happened.
Bingo
...that is clear evidence that no one really cares about what this clown says.
Then why do these lists grow?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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And what about the credible eye witness accounts from the Pentagon?
Skip and Mimi, are you saying you don't believe cops? Are you saying Cops lie?
That doesn't sound like either of you conservatives.
Or are you proving that, to you, the risk of being proven wrong is too great to actually research the facts by watching any of the remarkable links provided to you free?
You guys are Karl Rove's kind of sheeple.
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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And what about the credible eye witness accounts from the Pentagon?
Skip and Mimi, are you saying you don't believe cops? Are you saying Cops lie?
That doesn't sound like either of you conservatives.
Or are you proving that, to you, the risk of being proven wrong is too great to actually research the facts by watching any of the remarkable links provided to you free?
You guys are Karl Rove's kind of sheeple.
Here is the link again interviewing witnesses on location at the Pentagon.
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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The problem with internet forums is that ANYONE can make a post and claim, or appear, to be an expert. When in reality, their expertise is anything but.
So many of you deny the official 9/11 time line of events, and then whole hardily swallow the conspiracy theory without invoking the same level of critical thinking that you applied to the official 9/11 time line. This is a fundamental problem because you are STARTING with a belief and then looking for CONFIRMING information.
This "confirmation bias," which was incorrectly called "information bias", works BOTH ways, and you are all BOTH guilty of it.
Klimmer...you are NOT an expert. Your opinion is sh*t
Rox.....you are an expert in what looks like HAM radio. Your opinion is sh*t
John.....your expertise is limited to the FLYING of an aircraft.....not engineering, not aerodynamics etc, not anything that a hundred thousand OTHER people aren't also experts in.
I could give a rats ass what you think.....and I trust your links about the same as I trust the Governments official 9/11 story. Both accounts are impossible......and those who completely believe either one are FOOLS.
So who's opinion DOES matter? We'll, only those who are witnesses, and those who were involved (in the cover up....... or the terrorist attack....pick one). And you HAVN'T given a SINGLE source who can confirm your conspiracy theory (i.e. an insider). So I'm calling bull sh*t on you.
Your opinions to me are COMPLETELY irrelevant. You seem to think that by invoking math and logic that somehow you have reached valid conclusions. Your methods are NOT incorrect, but your premises are COMPLETELY flawed, thus resulting in a completely ridiculous conclusion. In statistics we call this "garbage in.....garbage out."
So Im going to say this, and then I'm gone. You DONT know jack sh*t.....so stop pretending that you do.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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There is a difference Skip
People ARE persecuted for sharing these views that threaten the highest powers
PEace
Karl
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Once again, this man is a fraud.
Skip, each time you post the above, I'll keep asking this...
If I am a fraud, why do these lists grow?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots
Don't let the facts confuse you Skippy.
By the way, My first few posts here were in 2006 when I was anonymous and first started researching 9/11 and founded P4T. My second visit was the other day. After my first post - second visit, Monolith started running his mouth about who I was. I have no problem with that as I readily admitted it and in fact told him anyone can see who I am just by clicking my username and see the mail addys.
With that said, it is customary for members here to post real names of members if in fact a member wanted to remain anonymous? It is against board TOS? If so, it doesn't seem monolith took this into consideration when he started to run his mouth.
If there is a way to change my username, feel free to change it to Rob Balsamo. I tried to look for a signature form to post my name and link to site (as many people do on forums), but there doesn't appear to be one.
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